The next Villa Manager

AstonThriller wrote:

smetro wrote:

Even though if you could make a case Where Dr Tony was torn between 2 candidates (Say Bruce\Wagner for example) Bruce to me, would get the nod simply because he is an easier, quicker and cheaper appointment. I don't see Xia paying £2m for wagner - when he could appoint Brucey for nowt.

For those reasons I think Bruce will be our manager early next week, as soon as he meets with Dr Tony, and assuming Brucey doesn't fluff his lines big time !

It's already been said in the media that paying compo is not a problem for Xia. This is a new regime Smetro, the Lerner reign is over now.

Cha Ching wrote:I don't want Bruce. Anyone else remember the two goals he got against Sheffield Wednesday for Utd? I'm not one to hold a grudge as you can see.

Wriggle wrote:Too long to post all of it, but some snippets...

Training schedules were changed to mirror kick-off times. Players were instructed to move within 15 miles of the training ground. And a high-intensity playing style - which the hipsters call 'gegenpressing', Wagner prefers 'Terriers identity' - was vigorously enforced.

'Okay, so the trip was into the wilderness. Canoeing from island to island. Eight hours a day. We built tents. We found water. We found food. We had to fish.

'We cooked it. There was no electricity. No toilet. No mobile phone coverage. It was great!' he finally exhales, somehow making the notion of such primitive isolation sound like a five-star resort.
'This was the training, for four days. No balls. We made it uncomfortable, because in the Championship there is no comfort zone.
'I wanted to bond the group together as quickly as possible. There were only two people in a tent and that changed every day. So you had to have a conversation. You had to talk about not only football but your family, the world. Without the mobile phone, you had no choice.'

Wagner studied biology and sports science at Darmstadt University for five years when he retired from playing in 2005. Why? 'I wanted to understand why a manager did something with me in training,' he explains.
'What happens inside my body when he tells me to run 6 x 1000m with 90 seconds break? Why? Why is this good? I did it as a player, because I trusted my manager.

'But, after studying, let me just say that not everyone was right… I can now talk with my medical team on a different level and we are able to find new ways. It gave me a greater perspective of a manager's work.
'It's good if you know what you are doing to your players!'

AstonThriller wrote:Yeah well we're gonna see in the next couple days if it really is Bruce because if he's the one what's the hold up? This decision is gonna be a test of Steve Round's credentials tbh. Because like I said previously, the easy option is Bruce, but where he can really make a name for himself is bringing in someone who could change the whole direction of this club both in the short and longterm.

For me they should be taking a serious look at Oscar Garcia. He's young, schooled in the Barcelona way so would bring a whole new philosophy to the club, and he has the added bonus of already having championship experience. What more could we ask for? Especially when his career is on an upward path having recently won the title for Red Bull Salzburg, which by the way is the second league title he's won thus far after winning the league in Isreal before joining Brighton a few years ago.

Wriggle wrote:Very interesting article on Wagner  Here

Not sure if it's been posted before, but impresses me even more with him!

Pat Murphy wrote:Money is no object in terms of compensation but Villa realise an approach may be knocked back.

I understand Burnley's Sean Dyche and Huddersfield's David Wagner attract Villa while free agent Steve Bruce remains the bookies' favourite

De Kuip wrote:I've been thinking about the progressive manager question, and I do think that it would be massively exciting if we got someone like Wagner. But then I got to thinking, do we have a squad of players that he could mould into what he wants? I don't know the Huddersfield lads at all, but I wonder if they were a team of reasonably young players, with open minds and not many big egos?
Our team has quite a few players that were captains of their teams, and as such I have to assume have strong personalities and have possibly enjoyed more say in how things get done (I appreciate all this is just conjecture, but I'm just throwing an idea out there really). Allied to some players who may think they already do a good enough job (Bacuna/Grealish/Ayew?) and some that just aren't capable of doing what's needed - Hutton/Gardner/Westwood, then I wonder if what someone like Wagner has achieved at Huddy Town, may not be able to be replicated at VP? You need both sides of the equation to be able to relate and respond to each other. A progressive manager on one side must surely need a receptive squad on the other? I'm not saying for one minute we aren't capable of a "factory reset" squad-wise, prior to remoulding in the image required by Wagner - let's face it, at times this season our play has been such an improvement on the recent past. But if we do have to radically change the ethos and tactics of the squad, is there enough depth there currently that will provide a core of players who could - and as important - would change to the level needed? I wonder if, even with a bright young thing in charge, we'd still be pinning hopes on the January window anyway, just to provide him with a fresh influx of players who can adapt to any new regime - that would have to be a consideration when we return to the market, I would think.
As I said, I've just posted this as a talking point really - just thinking out loud is all, but it might be something worth considering - with all the best will in the world, a progressive manager needs the blank canvas that would allow them to create a progressive team and style of play - do we have that potential in enough of the players we have currently? I'm not so sure.

CoE82 wrote:

deadbuzzardalive wrote:Interesting to see that Xia says that we had limited time and options in June. Kind of suggests that it won't be Bruce, as he was an option in the summer (when options were apparently limited) and we didn't go for him then.

I woyldnt say he was an option, as he was at hull till august I think, and by then we had decided RDM was the new messiah, all I want is someone thats gonna give our lazy arse players a kick up the arse, our last few managers have been to soft, and while the good Dr is looking for a manager maybe he can look for some free agent midfielders.

Trotters wrote:If Wagner likes taking players out into the wilderness then he's gone up another few notches in my opinion.

I've just had a minor shit-loss with the Birmingham Mail on twitter and Steve Wollaston waded in. Reckon it's all quality journalism they're tweeting.

When I suggested that the opinions of people like Liam Ridgewell and Big Eck probably don't matter a toss he said "We didn't ask them".

So they just rehash other people's poor journalism as their own.

No wonder people stick to quoting Pat Murphy. He tends not to repeat himself or pass other people's work off as his.

The Utterer wrote:Hmmmn, it all seems very quiet regards managers counting themselves out apart from the Luton guy that is. That's good news for us in my opinion but surely will change after the weekend as the initial "10" interviews presumably take place?

I'm guessing a lot will publicly count themselves out once they have had a discussion which didn't go so well to save face etc?

I'm no expert in these proceedings though

jimbop wrote:

CoE82 wrote:

deadbuzzardalive wrote:Interesting to see that Xia says that we had limited time and options in June. Kind of suggests that it won't be Bruce, as he was an option in the summer (when options were apparently limited) and we didn't go for him then.

I woyldnt say he was an option, as he was at hull till august I think, and by then we had decided RDM was the new messiah, all I want is someone thats gonna give our lazy arse players a kick up the arse, our last few managers have been to soft, and while the good Dr is looking for a manager maybe he can look for some free agent midfielders.

I haven't seen one single sign that are players are lazy? effort is not the problem, no way.