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Post by AstonThriller on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:09 pm

Alright guys, we've been here before, but I really do think that the writing is now firmly on the wall. Will the board bottle it again? I don't know. But I think the heat is as high as it's been for a while. He's now lost the away fans when you see THIS video from the game tonight, So I think it's only a matter of time now.

Aitor Karanka
Oscar Garcia
Carlos Carvahal
Jaap Stam
Gary Monk

Would all take the job imo. Karanka would probably be the easiest because he would already have his assistant at the club. But I think all of these would give us a chance to go up this season.
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Post by rogermuffin69 on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:26 pm

Dean smith. villa fan plays good footy. can work with peanuts. which we'll have next year.
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Post by UnclePanda on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:36 pm

If we can nick him, Dean Smith.
But, I wouldnt be disappointed with Carvahal

But, for the record, I dont think Bruce will go before the end of the season.
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Post by Dazzle on Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:44 pm

It probably has to be somebody who is available and is renowned more as a coaching type of manager, as money will be near non-existent I would think. I really don’t know, but then I’m not paid to know..................so over to Wyness and Round it is...................which doesn’t fill me with confidence
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Post by smetro on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:04 pm

@rogermuffin69 wrote:Dean smith. villa fan plays good footy. can work with peanuts. which we'll have next year.

Worked with peanuts at Walsall (as everyone does in that division) - At Brentford he doesn't buy the players - the good football IMO is negated by his inability to organise a defence - Think he would be Tim Sherwood v2. I hope it isn't Dean Smith.

Monk or Terry until the end of the season ? - Or are we brave enough to take a punt on Nathan Jones from Luton - very highly rated - but think we would have to wait - and as luton may get promoted the timing could be all wrong for us....



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Post by Villa_Dan on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:10 pm

Bruce has lost the away fans. Didn't give them a wave walking past at full time and booed by them
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Post by achilles on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:11 pm

That is two of the problems, 'Wyness and Round'.

Stick with him till the end of the season and then have a totally new appraisal and get the appropriate manager in to put that plan in action to transform Aston Villa from top to bottom (again)!
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Post by smetro on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:16 pm

Think he will get a couple more games myself. Jan 6 could be interesting !!!
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Post by smetro on Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:18 pm

@achilles wrote:That is two of the problems, 'Wyness and Round'.

Stick with him till the end of the season and then have a totally new appraisal and get the appropriate manager in to put that plan in action to transform Aston Villa from top to bottom (again)!

Not really sure Round does anything. seems a bit of a yes man to me...
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Post by achilles on Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:57 am

@smetro wrote:
@achilles wrote:That is two of the problems, 'Wyness and Round'.

Stick with him till the end of the season and then have a totally new appraisal and get the appropriate manager in to put that plan in action to transform Aston Villa from top to bottom (again)!

Not really sure Round does anything. seems a bit of a yes man to me...

EXACTLY!
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Post by FoxyAV on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:19 am

@Villa_Dan wrote:Bruce has lost the away fans. Didn't give them a wave walking past at full time and booed by them

Oh dear Very Happy

That's a rather large nail for the coffin isn't it?
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Post by smetro on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:34 am

Nathan Jones - just check out his Luton stats - highly rated in the game - tries to play good football - Just what we need IMO
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Post by achilles on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:41 am

@FoxyAV wrote:
@Villa_Dan wrote:Bruce has lost the away fans. Didn't give them a wave walking past at full time and booed by them

Oh dear Very Happy

That's a rather large nail for the coffin isn't it?

To be fair the away fans were slating him off as he was walking past, don't think I would have waved either! Bye
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Post by Terry Derry on Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:18 am

@achilles wrote:
@FoxyAV wrote:
@Villa_Dan wrote:Bruce has lost the away fans. Didn't give them a wave walking past at full time and booed by them

Oh dear Very Happy

That's a rather large nail for the coffin isn't it?

To be fair the away fans were slating him off as he was walking past, don't think I would have waved either! Bye

We gave him loads of grief and he will get more of it at Boro.
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Post by villajk on Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:09 pm

give the job to Giggs /Hoddle no2

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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:17 pm

@smetro wrote:Nathan Jones - just check out his Luton stats - highly rated in the game - tries to play good football - Just what we need IMO

First I've heard of him, but I'm intrigued

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Post by danclare82 on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:22 pm

Joppe84 wrote:
@smetro wrote:Nathan Jones - just check out his Luton stats - highly rated in the game - tries to play good football - Just what we need IMO

First I've heard of him, but I'm intrigued
Was he the manager when they beat us last season?
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Post by The Utterer on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:38 pm

It's a tough one,

I don't for a minute think we will see a change however, unless we end up in the relegation places or something.

As for who could replace SB? For me we need either a big personality with huge ability who can handle the pressure (Rafa for example) or a Thoroughbred Villa man of the Gregory ilk, rather than a meek Paul Lambert or Remi Garde type who have no real passion for the club.

SB has the big presence but fails ability wise in my view. Yes he has a lot of injuries to key players (AGAIN!) and yes it has hit us at the worst possible time as we have a run of very tough games condensed over the Christmas & New Year period.....But to win none of them is unacceptable.

His big mistake has been trying to shoehorn Jedi into Central defence. This should have been tried in the coming Summer months not midway through what was a half decent attempt at promotion up until the end of November.

It has cost Bruce dear in my eyes and backfired massively.

Selling Baker was clearly also a huge mistake.

For me he should have given Elphick a run...not ideal i know but surely if he had put Jedinak in the team in place of Whelan that would have solidified us and then at least Elphick & Chester would have been playing in their natural positions. We would likely have conceded a few no doubt but i feel it would have been better than what has transpired!

This Jedinak experiment has failed hugely and has likely trashed our promotion chances and that is on Bruce 100%.

As for Dean Smith? I'm really not sure tbh. The Villa connection is there but i'm not sure the ability is so it would be a risk.

Sadly there are less & less able Villa men around who fit the criteria. I just so wish we had Rafa as he could get us up i'm sure and then would have the backing he craves from Xia, unlike the lack of one he is getting up North.
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Post by De Kuip on Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:53 pm

Has he gone yet?
@The Utterer - I'd love to think that Jedi was his biggest mistake but for me it's just symptomatic of the real issue which is SB simply has no idea what he's doing other than to plan for one match day at a time. I'd say it's like driving along and only ever looking at the dials on the dashboard, not once does it seem he's ever actually looked out of the windscreen let alone know the destination. This means a constant fear of what he is up against as he's no idea of direction of travel. Everything is moved and tweaked constantly in order to avoid a crash. Problem is if you never look ahead or have a direction of travel, no matter how much you adjust the controls, you'll eventually come a cropper. That's exactly what it feels like to me - sure you'll do ok when the road is smooth and straight like playing Burton Albion, but as soon as it becomes challenging you'll crash.
No direction of travel, no forward vision, just a micro focus  on tweaking the controls every 5 minutes and panicking because they don't work and being unable to see why.
Let's sling the driver out of the car and replace him with someone with vision.
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Post by smetro on Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:08 pm

@danclare82 wrote:
Joppe84 wrote:
@smetro wrote:Nathan Jones - just check out his Luton stats - highly rated in the game - tries to play good football - Just what we need IMO

First I've heard of him, but I'm intrigued
Was he the manager when they beat us last season?

Well he joined then in Jan 2016 - So yes he would have been  in charge for that game. He is contracted to them until summer 2020 - he was previously first team coach at Brighton (we got the wrong one in calderwood) - He strikes me a Graham Taylor type - likeable, loyal , and very ambitious - I doubt he would jump ship before the end of the season (Luton are top of league 2) - Rumours that Sunderland we considering him before they appointed Coleman - so it would seem he will get the call from a championship club over the next 12 months or so.

Check out these articles....


http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2017-12-08/nathan-jones-luton-town-boss-lands-manager-of-the-month-prize-for-second-month-in-a-row/


https://www.theleaguepaper.com/featured/4514/profile-luton-town-manager-nathan-jones/
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Post by DelboyVilla on Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:44 am

I would fancy going for it and approaching Clement, Bilic or Koeman and selling them a dream! This in my view would be a Rafa type appointment!

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Post by The Utterer on Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:14 pm

@De Kuip Yes i guess i should rephrase that, Jedi is indeed not his biggest mistake just one of many. I know all managers make mistakes from time to time but to try to convert a midfielder into a central defender right at the crucial part of the season against some of our rivals was a ridiculous risk that should have never been undertaken in my view. Elphick would have been a risk but not on such a crazy scale i guess was my main point.

I like your analogy btw.

Koeman is a good shout too i feel. Not sure about Bilic as his heart lies with a different Claret & Blue outfit.

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:35 pm

Smet has sold me on Jones. I'm all for it.

Xia needs to pull the trigger now though

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Post by De Kuip on Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:00 pm

@The Utterer wrote:@De Kuip Yes i guess i should rephrase that, Jedi is indeed not his biggest mistake just one of many. I know all managers make mistakes from time to time but to try to convert a midfielder into a central defender right at the crucial part of the season against some of our rivals was a ridiculous risk that should have never been undertaken in my view.  Elphick would have been a risk but not on such a crazy scale i guess was my main point.

I like your analogy btw.

Koeman is a good shout too i feel. Not sure about Bilic as his heart lies with a different Claret & Blue outfit.


Cheers mate- don't get me wrong, Jedi is a dreadful choice at the back mind. What gets me is how slow so many of our players are, its scandalous it really is.
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Post by smetro on Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:44 pm

Joppe84 wrote:Smet has sold me on Jones. I'm all for it.

Xia needs to pull the trigger now though

My preference for Nathan Jones ....well isn't really a preference, I only put him forward as if we are down to considering Dean Smith, I feel Jones is an equal gamble but potentially has a much higher ceiling.
I could be totally wrong but we need to do due diligence on smith. His Brentford side hold a lot of bad defensive stats (I think they have lost more games from winning positions than anyone else) - also the role he undertakes at Brentford - his is a cog in a management team, the club is very well run, much of the infrastructure was there prior to him - Smith just slotted in and coached the first team. Appointing Smith IMO would be comparable to appointing RDM because he won the champions league with Chelsea.

I am not hopeful on this next point but here goes - I would hope now that the current board would have an idea of the skill set they want - rather than saying 'ah hes a villa fan....and look at what he did at Brentford'

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