Re: The next Villa Manager

by 4BetLite Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:34 pm

I think bruce sam pulis mclaren and that ilk are managers because they can be and it pays well, they aint serious managers, students of the game, etc, they all remind me of mike bassett. Mid table prem is their best and that's it but most likely bottom 6, that might seem fantastic after the last 5 years but XIA wants more so I wanna keep up with HIM and hope we get a manager who does too.

by deadbuzzardalive Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:41 pm

Whoever it is, I think it's likely that contact has already been made, and they've expressed a desire to take the job. Doubt this will drag on very long.

by Guest Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:44 pm

Didn't Wagner have Huddersfield in a relegation fight last season? He essentially needed a full season to work it out? He won't get that here.

Rowett is the man!

by Boldfinger Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:53 pm

One thing I do like is that the Dr ain't fucking about. He was success as much as we do

by Dazzle Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:55 pm

Joppe84 wrote:Didn't Wagner have Huddersfield in a relegation fight last season? He essentially needed a full season to work it out? He won't get that here.

Rowett is the man!

Wagner joined Huddersfield last November. So in less than a year he's got them to top the league after taking over from Chris Powell.

by danclare82 Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:55 pm

He only took over in November so had done a great job since. Would we accept this season as a finding his feet season and go up nxt? Doubt that many would.

by smetro Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:16 pm

Re Wagner - RDM had a good season in the championship. He could quite easily be another Gus Poyet. We just can't gamble this time. Were only a couple of points of the drop zone.

Bruce has managed bigger clubs, has around 4 promotions, and generally made an impact wherever he has been. The problems seems to come after he has steadied the ship. However lets not borrow tomorrows problems. in the long run were all dead .....

by smetro Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:18 pm

danclare82 wrote:He only took over in November so had done a great job since. Would we accept this season as a finding his feet season and go up nxt? Doubt that many would.

Id prefer Bruce. But any manager coming in now and gets us finishing top half I would say has done a good job.

by smetro Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:46 pm

Telegraph (who have been on the money with this) lead with Bruce headline - but the whole article says he is only under consideration, and that Xia will pay compensation for the right man.

by Guest Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:50 pm

McGrath it would be funny if we stole Rowett. Imagine the derby

by WendyOz Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:43 am

I'm not convinced that ANY of the aforementioned managers will be good enough. I think we should be trying to coax SAF out of retirement. Or we should let Clarke stay in charge until Manure sack Mourinho - lol
I certainly would not want to see Bruce or McLaren at B6. Unintelligible Geordie Potatohead and Umbrella Man? - no effin' way (scuse the language) If worse comes to worst - at least Rowett is a Villan - I would reluctantly accept him if there really wasn't anyone else good enough.

by WendyOz Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:44 am

Much as I like Big Sam - he's a bloody crook!

by **Trotters** Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:04 am

AstonThriller wrote:Bruce is the easy option to take isn't it? By going for Wagner though it suggests the club are more concerned about building a new culture at the club that could potentially see us flourish in the long term rather than bring in the tried and tested and have to remove them in another ten months or so even if immediate promotion is achieved.

Wagner reminds me of a Pochettino tbh. He went into Southampton and nobody had a clue who the hell he was but he transformed them overnight and was the flavour of the month when Spurs nabbed him. It was a risk because he'd been sacked at Espanyol prior to joining Southampton but look at him now?

Wagner honed his philosophy alongside Klopp so the guy obviously knows a thing or two about the game. He can either sit still and see where this Huddersfield adventure takes him with the hope of possibly getting promoted or getting a play-off spot. If they miss out in the play-offs his stock would still be Ok I guess but would that be enough for Prem teams to look at him? Not sure as many managers have gotten to the play-offs in one season including the Sheff Wed manager and he's still there.

OR he could come to the Villa who are the fourth most successful team in England. He'll have the big stadium, the fantastic training facilities, a mega rich owner to work with who could potentially provide him with more funds than the majority of the owners currently in the premiership. And he could mould a legacy for himself here that could last a lifetime.

Yes Huddersfield gave him his big break but money talks in this game my friends. If there is no denial from him or the Huddersfield camp within the next few days then I think this could be a goar. Wyness and co aren't ones to hang around so I'd assume if Wagner is the man then they'll already be on the phone.

Wonderful post.

@DaveAV1 mentioned that a cultural change is probably easier to implement in this league than the top flight. It's a good point and, considering no team has ever been promoted with our points tally at this stage of the season, why not get a bloke in who has a bit of continental mentality rather than a "promotion specialist"? McGrath knows a long term solution is what we're crying out for.

As for Bruce, I don't dislike him because of his past connections. I just think he's very average. But, thinking I might have missed something amazing, I went back and looked at his history on wiki. I challenge you to do the same and come away thinking "oh yes! This is the man for us!"

There's nothing on there that excites me. He may have kept the noses up for an extended period but his football is dull. We have exciting players so I want to see exciting football. Football that has a purpose other than survival.

With someone like Wagner, he doesn't need all the managerial experience in the world. In fact, with the board we have and the tech director, maybe it's preferable that he isn't that experienced. You think someone like Bruce will listen to what Round has to say on our long term philosophy? No chance. He'll know that Xia will want him for promotion but he's not a long term option.

Is Wagner the next Pocchetino (spelling?). Maybe, maybe not. But sure as shit Bruce isn't.

Nor Fat Sam. Nor Woy.

Pearson has been found out and the Bournemouth manager is beyond us I feel.

Some great comments on this thread though. Cracking read.

by KMitch Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:01 am

Wow... Tony doesn't fook about, does he? Didn't he tweet before our last game that RDM has time? 12 games with only 1 win says it all, though. We need a manager who is a tactician and a disciplinarian, I really don't care who that is.

by Wriggle Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:14 am

I think the focus is solely on who can get us up this season, not who can make us a force in the premier, so I think the likes of Bruce! big Sam, Pulis and even McCarthy could well be in the frame. I don't think the Dr. Gives a toss about what their limitations are in the premiership as he'll just pay them off and get the bigger name in once we are there.

I don't really want Bruce here a I think he's average, but if he's the man to get us out of the division (the right way up) the. I'll be happy with that as I think Xia will move on fairly quickly once we're there.

Personally I think we'll be seeing an ex England manager very shortly, either Woy or Big Sam... and I'd be happy with either!

by WendyOz Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:49 am

Hey Trotters - How about Ange Postecoglu?

by smetro Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:40 am

Wriggle wrote:I think the focus is solely on who can get us up this season, not who can make us a force in the premier, so I think the likes of Bruce! big Sam, Pulis and even McCarthy could well be in the frame. I don't think the Dr. Gives a toss about what their limitations are in the premiership as he'll just pay them off and get the bigger name in once we are there.

I don't really want Bruce here a I think he's average, but if he's the man to get us out of the division (the right way up) the. I'll be happy with that as I think Xia will move on fairly quickly once we're there.

Personally I think we'll be seeing an ex England manager very shortly, either Woy or Big Sam... and I'd be happy with either!

As per Trotters post - no one with our points tally at this stage of the season has ever got promoted. So I think that ship has sailed. - it would take some run to get us promoted this season.
Bruce is the safe bet - But XIA was persuaded by RDM'S CL win - If he wants exciting he will go for Wagner. If not then it will be Bruce.
To me there is little suggest Wagner is anything other than a flash in the pan.

by DelboyVilla Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:13 am

The B'Ham Mail are reporting that there is a 3 man shortlist of

1. Bruce
2. Wagner
3. Dyche

Out of those Dyche is my first choice, then Bruce then Wagner. However I think Dyche is the least likely as Burnley are doing OK and sit 14th in the Premier League. That can quickly change though?

by **NARLA24** Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:23 am

If Dyche wanted the job i would give it him on a silver platter

by Villa_Dan Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:32 am

DelboyVilla wrote:The B'Ham Mail are reporting that there is a 3 man shortlist of

1. Bruce
2. Wagner
3. Dyche

Out of those Dyche is my first choice, then Bruce then Wagner. However I think Dyche is the least likely as Burnley are doing OK and sit 14th in the Premier League. That can quickly change though?

Reverse that shortlist and I expect it to be the order of preference.

Dyche would be a brilliant coup but likely to be bloody tough to pull off.
Wagner is still relatively green and could be a flash in the pan, but equally he's got strong pedigree, a good footballing education, and could become our Pochettino
Bruce is a proven commodity. Will he pull up trees? Unlikely, but he'll get us promoted.

by Dions_Bald_Head Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:35 am

Trotters wrote:
AstonThriller wrote:Bruce is the easy option to take isn't it? By going for Wagner though it suggests the club are more concerned about building a new culture at the club that could potentially see us flourish in the long term rather than bring in the tried and tested and have to remove them in another ten months or so even if immediate promotion is achieved.

Wagner reminds me of a Pochettino tbh. He went into Southampton and nobody had a clue who the hell he was but he transformed them overnight and was the flavour of the month when Spurs nabbed him. It was a risk because he'd been sacked at Espanyol prior to joining Southampton but look at him now?

Wagner honed his philosophy alongside Klopp so the guy obviously knows a thing or two about the game. He can either sit still and see where this Huddersfield adventure takes him with the hope of possibly getting promoted or getting a play-off spot. If they miss out in the play-offs his stock would still be Ok I guess but would that be enough for Prem teams to look at him? Not sure as many managers have gotten to the play-offs in one season including the Sheff Wed manager and he's still there.

OR he could come to the Villa who are the fourth most successful team in England. He'll have the big stadium, the fantastic training facilities, a mega rich owner to work with who could potentially provide him with more funds than the majority of the owners currently in the premiership. And he could mould a legacy for himself here that could last a lifetime.

Yes Huddersfield gave him his big break but money talks in this game my friends. If there is no denial from him or the Huddersfield camp within the next few days then I think this could be a goar. Wyness and co aren't ones to hang around so I'd assume if Wagner is the man then they'll already be on the phone.

Wonderful post.

@DaveAV1 mentioned that a cultural change is probably easier to implement in this league than the top flight. It's a good point and, considering no team has ever been promoted with our points tally at this stage of the season, why not get a bloke in who has a bit of continental mentality rather than a "promotion specialist"? McGrath knows a long term solution is what we're crying out for.

As for Bruce, I don't dislike him because of his past connections. I just think he's very average. But, thinking I might have missed something amazing, I went back and looked at his history on wiki. I challenge you to do the same and come away thinking "oh yes! This is the man for us!"

There's nothing on there that excites me. He may have kept the noses up for an extended period but his football is dull. We have exciting players so I want to see exciting football. Football that has a purpose other than survival.

With someone like Wagner, he doesn't need all the managerial experience in the world. In fact, with the board we have and the tech director, maybe it's preferable that he isn't that experienced. You think someone like Bruce will listen to what Round has to say on our long term philosophy? No chance. He'll know that Xia will want him for promotion but he's not a long term option.

Is Wagner the next Pocchetino (spelling?). Maybe, maybe not. But sure as shit Bruce isn't.

Nor Fat Sam. Nor Woy.

Pearson has been found out and the Bournemouth manager is beyond us I feel.

Some great comments on this thread though. Cracking read.

For what it's worth, these 2 posts reflect my thinking.

by Dazzle Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:38 am

Joppe84 wrote:McGrath it would be funny if we stole Rowett. Imagine the derby

Not going to happen.

by Villa_Dan Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:43 am

Dazzle wrote:
Joppe84 wrote:McGrath it would be funny if we stole Rowett. Imagine the derby

Not going to happen.

He was on TalkSport last night and said it wouldn't happen

by Dazzle Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:51 am

Trotters wrote:
AstonThriller wrote:Bruce is the easy option to take isn't it? By going for Wagner though it suggests the club are more concerned about building a new culture at the club that could potentially see us flourish in the long term rather than bring in the tried and tested and have to remove them in another ten months or so even if immediate promotion is achieved.

Wagner reminds me of a Pochettino tbh. He went into Southampton and nobody had a clue who the hell he was but he transformed them overnight and was the flavour of the month when Spurs nabbed him. It was a risk because he'd been sacked at Espanyol prior to joining Southampton but look at him now?

Wagner honed his philosophy alongside Klopp so the guy obviously knows a thing or two about the game. He can either sit still and see where this Huddersfield adventure takes him with the hope of possibly getting promoted or getting a play-off spot. If they miss out in the play-offs his stock would still be Ok I guess but would that be enough for Prem teams to look at him? Not sure as many managers have gotten to the play-offs in one season including the Sheff Wed manager and he's still there.

OR he could come to the Villa who are the fourth most successful team in England. He'll have the big stadium, the fantastic training facilities, a mega rich owner to work with who could potentially provide him with more funds than the majority of the owners currently in the premiership. And he could mould a legacy for himself here that could last a lifetime.

Yes Huddersfield gave him his big break but money talks in this game my friends. If there is no denial from him or the Huddersfield camp within the next few days then I think this could be a goar. Wyness and co aren't ones to hang around so I'd assume if Wagner is the man then they'll already be on the phone.

Wonderful post.

@DaveAV1 mentioned that a cultural change is probably easier to implement in this league than the top flight. It's a good point and, considering no team has ever been promoted with our points tally at this stage of the season, why not get a bloke in who has a bit of continental mentality rather than a "promotion specialist"? McGrath knows a long term solution is what we're crying out for.

As for Bruce, I don't dislike him because of his past connections. I just think he's very average. But, thinking I might have missed something amazing, I went back and looked at his history on wiki. I challenge you to do the same and come away thinking "oh yes! This is the man for us!"

There's nothing on there that excites me. He may have kept the noses up for an extended period but his football is dull. We have exciting players so I want to see exciting football. Football that has a purpose other than survival.

With someone like Wagner, he doesn't need all the managerial experience in the world. In fact, with the board we have and the tech director, maybe it's preferable that he isn't that experienced. You think someone like Bruce will listen to what Round has to say on our long term philosophy? No chance. He'll know that Xia will want him for promotion but he's not a long term option.

Is Wagner the next Pocchetino (spelling?). Maybe, maybe not. But sure as shit Bruce isn't.

Nor Fat Sam. Nor Woy.

Pearson has been found out and the Bournemouth manager is beyond us I feel.

Some great comments on this thread though. Cracking read.

A good post on a good post! Should we end up plumping for the Steve Bruce type it would go against pretty much everything that Xia is telling us he is trying to achieve, ie a modern looking club with an identity and philosophy. If it's to be Bruce then it would have to be on a 9 month contract with a big promotion bonus in it to be claimed, then move on to a better man. For me we have to look at someone like Wagner, who clearly does have a certain philosophy and has come in and very quickly sussed out the league and sits atop of it in less than a year with an unfashionable club that was tipped for nothing other than a battle at the bottom. Not much is said about the 10+ new players that I think Huddersfield brought in this summer and he has gotten going right off the bat. A far cry from anything our club has managed to do since about the 90s.

by AstonThriller Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:58 am

smetro wrote:

As per Trotters post - no one with our points tally at this stage of the season has ever got promoted. So I think that ship has sailed. - it would take some run to get us promoted this season.
Bruce is the safe bet - But XIA was persuaded by RDM'S CL win - If he wants exciting he will go for Wagner. If not then it will be Bruce.
To me there is little suggest Wagner is anything other than a flash in the pan.

Which source has that come from? I'd also add that how many of those teams on that points tally had 60m worth of talent in their squad, with the potential to spend even more in January? Over the head

We're a unique situation IMO so trotting out stats like that is futile. Especially when in 2006/7 in the Championship Sunderland were on 13 points after twelve games and was sitting in 19th position HERE. Then guess what? They appointed Roy Keane and won the title as seen HERE. Which is why I strongly disagree that any "ship" has sailed.

You also seem to doubt most young managers which I guess is your right. But as Pearson showed at Derby the "old school" approach and methods from that philosophy just might have seen better days. Old school managers these days are either stuck in the championship ala Pearson, Warnock, Mccarthy etc or are constantly battling relegation like the likes of Pulis, Big Sam last season and now Moyes. You don't see any of them keeping teams in the top half of the premiership consistently...I wonder why?

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