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Post by smetro Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:50 am

DaveAV1 wrote:I believe that any new manager is a risk, sometimes even a good manager just isn't a good fit. However I think Garde is a risk worth taking from what I've read and surely we must try something different rather than just continue along the same failed route.

The issue of his back room staff may be a problem that isn't so easily solved as we think. Yes we can most likely throw money at it and come to an agreement with their clubs. However what we are forgetting is the human element. Whilst footballers and managers are generally accepting of the nomadic nature of their jobs largely due to the huge financial rewards. However coaches are not so financially rewarded and are possibly not as career driven as the managers they serve under. So to uproot their families is a much bigger decision for them, particularly as there no guarantees of how long they may be here. Given that there are three of them to decide only adds to the difficulty. Hopefully everything is resolved and they come and help us back to happier times.

But if his backroom staff don't want to come - Im sure even Tom Fox and co could have established that by now.
It they do want to come but are being held up, then I don't see why Garde doesn't come now and his backroom staff follow in due course.
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Post by DaveAV1 Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:28 am

It's not a snap descision thing for everyone. People are rarely asked to make up their minds on such a big thing that effects them and their families without a few days to think and indeed sort out other aspects of life involving other people too. When humans are involved it's rarely simple.
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Post by smetro Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:36 am

DaveAV1 wrote:It's not a snap descision thing for everyone. People are rarely asked to make up their minds on such a big thing that effects them and their families without a few days to think and indeed sort out other aspects of life involving other people too. When humans are involved it's rarely simple.

True - Equally we don't want someone coming here half cocked (ala Houllier) - This is a great club, and we want someone who is enthused to manage it ...
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Post by Villa_Dan Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:25 am

Decent article from yesterday. Garde apparently favours a 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 diamond. Both formations I think work for us with the personnel we have. It also lays enough equal blame at Sherwood's feet as it does those making the signings for doing so without his control. 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2015/oct/28/remi-garde-tim-sherwood-aston-villa
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Post by bruka Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:12 pm

Sky Sports reporting that Garde has pulled out of all his media duties
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Post by achilles Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:31 pm

How long did it take Sunderland from sacking their manager to appointing Fat Sam?

It just shows how inept Aston Villa has become at most things to be honest!
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Post by banneruk Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:22 pm

achilles wrote:How long did it take Sunderland from sacking their manager to appointing Fat Sam?

It just shows how inept Aston Villa has become at most things to be honest!

Is this the case though?

Maybe OL are happy to let their assistant go but want time to bring in a new one. Therefore if Villa want their man they are going to have to wait. Maybe until the International break which is 2 weeks away (before the next Home game as Sky are reporting??) Just a thought i had??
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Post by achilles Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:40 pm

banneruk wrote:
achilles wrote:How long did it take Sunderland from sacking their manager to appointing Fat Sam?

It just shows how inept Aston Villa has become at most things to be honest!

Is this the case though?

Maybe OL are happy to let their assistant go but want time to bring in a new one. Therefore if Villa want their man they are going to have to wait. Maybe until the International break which is 2 weeks away (before the next Home game as Sky are reporting??) Just a thought i had??

I can no longer believe that Aston Villa FC can be competent at anything anymore, especially during the Lerner stewardship!
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Post by The Utterer Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:27 pm

All this rotating of managers is merely buying Lerner time until he departs.. Nothing will change whilst there is a lack of focus at the top as that will merely be duplicated right the way through the club.

You have to remove the rot before it will stop spreading!
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Post by smetro Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:21 pm

So If Garde won't take a job without his backroom staff.......and his backroom staff are not allowed to leave Lyon.....well hes gonna be unemployed for a good while isn't he ?
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Post by Trotters Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:12 pm

If I was the chairman of clubs like Bournemouth, Norwich and Sunderland, I'd be on the phone to the Lyon president offering him a Harry Redknapp-type brown bag to drag their heels for as long as is feasible.
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Post by Trotters Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:36 pm

This is the article referred to by Dan earlier...

Is Rémi Garde the right man to replace Tim Sherwood at Aston Villa?

By Martin Laurence for WhoScored?, part of the Guardian Sport Network

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Former Lyon manager Rémi Garde.

Thursday 29 October 2015 01.31 AEDT

The departure of Tim Sherwood from his post as Aston Villa boss was inevitable, no matter how many former pros leapt to the defence of a man who had picked up just one point from a possible 27. The blame cannot be placed solely at the feet of the manager, who, it has been revealed, had little say in a number of the players bought in the summer to replace Christian Benteke and Fabian Delph.

Director of recruitment Paddy Reilly and sporting director Hendrik Almstadt reportedly didn’t see eye to eye with Sherwood, and their decision to opt for the risky policy of signing a large number of players without Premier League experience has rightly come under the microscope. Sherwood may have had his hands tied, but that was the path the club chose and he proved incapable of getting results from his players.

The club are, as Sherwood said after the late defeat to Swansea City on Saturday, in a hole. The former Spurs boss wasn’t helping to fill it, having failed to settle on his favoured personnel, let alone system. His decision to chop and change until something worked was far from convincing. Villa have used five different formations already this season, with 17 different players starting at least three times in the league.

The Villa board came to the conclusion that Sherwood didn’t know what he was doing after a slump that culminated in six consecutive Premier League defeats. He was no longer the right man for the job, having had the short-term impact the club so desperately needed, so who is right for Villa now?

The board appear to have made their mind up already, with Rémi Garde the clear favourite to take over at the Premier League’s bottom club. Reports suggest that Garde is very tempted by Aston Villa’s offer. Newcastle and Sunderland – the other two clubs in the relegation zone – have approached the Frenchman in the past but it seems his job will be to keep Villa in the Premier League. The quick conclusion both parties would have wanted is being held up by Lyon, who are reluctant to let his former assistants follow him to England.

The decision to pursue Garde as first choice has received a mixed reaction. Those familiar with the manager’s work think he has what it takes to succeed in the Midlands. Those that haven’t followed the 49-year-old’s career are understandably worried by Villa’s choice of a manager with no experience of managing in England – the policy of buying players with no history in the Premier League has proved dubious and they fear that the manager could also struggle.

Garde is known to have a fondness for English football. During an understated time at Arsenal he became a loyal and trusted figure under Arsène Wenger, who retains great faith in the former France international’s coaching credentials. Hiring Garde represents an opportunity to build bridges between the players at the club. He excelled in helping young French players at Arsenal. Used sparingly on the pitch, Garde was credited with helping new recruits settle quickly at the club. In that sense, Villa’s interest is understandable.

As manager of Lyon, during a time when the club was stripped of their best players and all but forced to put their faith in young talent due to a lack of transfer funds, Garde’s achievements were admirable. In his first season Lyon finished fourth and reached the finals of both domestic cup competitions, winning the Coupe de France. They would go on to win the subsequent Supercup and finish the 2012-13 campaign third. They dropped to fifth in his final campaign, but Lyon’s team rating actually rose year-on-year – from 6.94 to 7.04 – as Garde nurtured an impressive young squad. Lyon did not want their manager to leave but Garde came to the decision that the 2013-14 season would be his last before a sabbatical. It was understood that he wanted to move to recharge his batteries and then relocate to England.

In terms of playing style, Garde favoured a 4-2-3-1 formation in his first two seasons at Lyon, with the team spearheaded by Bafétimbi Gomis. He often switched to a 4-4-2 diamond once Alexandre Lacazette proved capable of forming an effective partnership with Gomis, who is now at Swansea City. Sherwood has utilised both systems this season. Settling on a structured way of playing should be the first task for the next Villa boss.

Developing young players will also be key. It was a vital determinant in Sherwood’s appeal back in February and one that remains important to the Villa board. Lacazette, Maxime Gonalons, Jordan Ferri and Nabil Fekir were given a chance to prove their worth at Lyon under Garde and the have gone on to flourish at the club. Lacazette and Fekir scored 40 league goals between them last season and Gonalons became an ever present in the side, gaining the captaincy and taking on the mantle of the experienced head in a midfield packed with potential.

Villa are obviously a different prospect altogether, but they aren’t a lost cause. While the teams around them have slumped to resounding defeats, Villa have only lost one match by more than a single goal this season – when Alan Hutton scored a freak own goal in a 2-0 defeat at Stamford Bridge earlier this month. Garde would face an uphill task, but not an impossible one.

He remains a risk but no more so than sticking with something so clearly broken. With the Premier League’s repairmen, Tony Pulis and Sam Allardyce, otherwise engaged, there aren’t a great deal of safe-bet managers available to Villa. David Moyes has been heavily linked to the job and would be considered among the best options given his vast experience of the league, but he seems keen to stay in Spain for the time being. Nigel Pearson may also tick a number of boxes.

Villa don’t seem equipped to adapt to the “Brendan Rodgers way”, and the evidently eager Dwight Yorke’s credentials boil down to the fact that he used to play for the club. So too did Bosko Balaban. If Villa are to be resuscitated from their current state, they need a long-term vision Putting anyone in charge of such of a task with so few realistic candidates available will always be a risk. Garde may well be one worth taking, with bigger and better offers unlikely to be too far off for the Frenchman.
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Post by Synopsis Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:29 am

From the French sites I have been reading OL are basically flat out refusing to allow the coaches to leave, they have there own problems at the moment and according to French (not uk) media its very very very unlikely their president will allow the coaches to leave before the end of the season. So that begs the question is there any point in getting Garde in before then. For me you don't buy a Ferrari and put a Fiesta engine in it and still expect to be able to compete.
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Post by DaveAV1 Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:57 am

I still think it's down to the individuals concerned. If they want to come, and that doesn't just involve their new jobs, they will also have families who are effected, then they will come. The Lyon Chairman likes to have his say and he will obviously play hardball, why wouldn't he? However if they want to come deals will be done and money will change hands. As others have said Garde can't have his future career decided by his former employer and/or collegues. Narla has indicated that the other guy, the fitness coach, was at BMH yesterday. He hasn't just popped over for a tour, we're in the end game now. Hopefully!!
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Post by Dgrizzle7 Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:09 am

what ever happens I want k'mac kept onboard.
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Post by Dions_Bald_Head Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:42 am

If there are problems at Lyon then that hardly strengthens their desire to stay. The Lyon Chairman can't tie them in chains if they want out but, to appease the fans, he can make it clear that he did everything to make them stay. I know it's only been less than a week since Timothy went but I've got a feeling that if it was all hopeless then all parties would have moved on by now.
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Post by Dions_Bald_Head Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:01 pm

Got to agree with Arsene when he says Villa need "technical stability". For too long we've just been a counter-attacking team - that's too broad. We're years overdue for some tactical nuance to our game & I honestly think we have some players who have the ability.
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Post by Trotters Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:33 pm

http://www.greatbarrobserver.co.uk/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-White-Hart-Lane-admits/story-28084874-detail/story.html


Remi Garde could be at White Hart Lane admits Kevin MacDonald

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In the frame: Remi Garde could be at White Hart Lane overlooking Aston Villa on Monday.

ASTON Villa caretaker boss Kevin MacDonald has suggested that Remi Garde could be in the stands against Tottenham on Monday night.

Garde has been odds-on with the bookies ever since Tim Sherwood was sacked on Sunday.

Speaking about the possibility of Garde taking over, MacDonald said: "I've been told I need to prepare the team for Monday.

"Whether Remi has been given the position or will be in the stand to watch, I don't know.

"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job.

"Arsene Wenger came in with no Premier League experience and he didn't do badly."
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Post by achilles Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:35 pm

It's getting boring, as we just flounder on!
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Post by danclare82 Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:47 pm

"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job.''
This sentence pretty much confirms it for me.
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Post by Trotters Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:53 pm

Yep. But the hierarchy need to ensure they give the "man for the job" the "money for the job" and get him the "Coaches for the job".

The hierarchy also needs to just fuck off asap possible.
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Post by NARLA24 Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:54 pm

danclare82 wrote:"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job.''
This sentence pretty much confirms it for me.
If he is coming then i should imagine that he will arrive after the Spurs game. He will more than likely be at the Spurs game and be in the Managers position for Tuesday. Just a pure guess on my part.
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Post by danclare82 Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:56 pm

Trotters wrote:Yep. But the hierarchy need to ensure they give the "man for the job" the "money for the job" and get him the "Coaches for the job".

The hierarchy also needs to just fuck off asap possible.
Haha. Couldn't of said it better myself.
Yes def need his coaches too so there is no excuses.
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Post by danclare82 Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:58 pm

NARLA24 wrote:
danclare82 wrote:"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job.''
This sentence pretty much confirms it for me.
If he is coming then i should imagine that he will arrive after the Spurs game. He will more than likely be at the Spurs game and be in the Managers position for Tuesday. Just a pure guess on my part.
That is what I think too KMAC has said he'll be in charge for spurs. The time between now and then will be spend getting the coaches i too i'm sure.
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Post by NARLA24 Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:59 pm

danclare82 wrote:
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danclare82 wrote:"He's got a good pedigree as a coach and obviously the hierarchy think he's the man for the job.''
This sentence pretty much confirms it for me.
If he is coming then i should imagine that he will arrive after the Spurs game. He will more than likely be at the Spurs game and be in the Managers position for Tuesday. Just a pure guess on my part.
That is what I think too KMAC has said he'll be in charge for spurs. The time between now and then will be spend getting the coaches i too i'm sure.
That would seem to be the sensible way to do it.....Oh....Wait a minute
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