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Post by deadbuzzardalive Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:22 pm

Bruce and Clarke on the list and others who are in employment. Bit surprised to see that Clarke is being considered.

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Post by AstonThriller Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:25 pm

deadbuzzardalive wrote:Bruce and Clarke on the list and others who are in employment. Bit surprised to see that Clarke is being considered.

I think he's probably the back up plan incase the main targets don't work out.
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Post by deadbuzzardalive Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:32 pm

Pat Murphy ‏@patmurphybbc 22m22 minutes ago

Dr Tony will be directly involved when the list gets down to 3 while Messrs Little,Wyness & Round take soundings.Till then we'll just guess!

Pat Murphy ‏@patmurphybbc 6m6 minutes ago

That's all from me tonight,folks, on the @AVFCOfficial speculation. Plenty of days ahead for more of the same. Won't be finalised this week.
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Post by De Kuip Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:35 pm

Slightly OT but did you see those sugarbags at Virgin trains having a pop at villa on Twitter? Fair play AVFCofficial had a pop back but when the actual fuck does a train company start having a go at a football club. Next time I have the misfortune to be on one of that stunted c.u.n.t''s train I'll be having at the upholstery with a fucking Stanley knife. Can't be arsed to do link from my mobile but it's on the Birmingham fail website.
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Post by 4BetLite Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:42 pm

Missed it DK. Not on twatter...... Any links available would be appreciated
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Post by Guest Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:49 pm

Yeah I saw that earlier. I thought the linking of trophies was a bit smalltime though. Should've kept it with the trains on time retort as that was quite funny.
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Post by deadbuzzardalive Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:55 pm

Companies trying to do banter on twitter creeps me out. They just want people's money, stop trying to act like one of the gang.
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Post by ember Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:24 pm

I don't want Clarke around any longer than necessary. To my mind Clarke is to RDM what Wilkins was to Sherwood. Don't know what positive impact he has had and doesn't seem to do shit on matchday.

I'd be happier if Murphy was explicitly ruling out a few more jokers. Like Dirty Harry, Shoulderchip Ince, Potato Head. We've got football expertise in place and we have vision and ambition from an owner who, I think, knows what he doesn't know. Hopefully, their combined wisdom, financial muscle and status of the club will allow us to pull off a real coup.
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Post by deadbuzzardalive Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:13 pm

With the possible exception of McClaren I think it was pretty obvious that it wouldn't be any of the names that Murphy says aren't on the list. The same probably applies to Redknapp and Ince.
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Post by smetro Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:20 pm

ember wrote:I don't want Clarke around any longer than necessary. To my mind Clarke is to RDM what Wilkins was to Sherwood. Don't know what positive impact he has had and doesn't seem to do shit on matchday.

I'd be happier if Murphy was explicitly ruling out a few more jokers. Like Dirty Harry, Shoulderchip Ince, Potato Head. We've got football expertise in place and we have vision and ambition from an owner who, I think, knows what he doesn't know. Hopefully, their combined wisdom, financial muscle and status of the club will allow us to pull off a real coup.

Agree about Clarke. The way he got the assistant manager job should have set the alarm bells ringing. Apparently clarke phoned RDM - asking for a job and RDM said yes. That minimal effort imo was indicative of his time here.

If what Murphy is saying is correct - then the Shortlist is Brucey, Clarke, and perhaps one of the employed guys if they express an interest. I don't think anyone will make the shortlist if they appear not gettable - so the third candidate could be Johnson/Dean Smith/ Wagner. This all makes sense at we had a shortlist of 3 last summer - so its a consistent MO.

I wonldn't be suprised if the new guy takes charge early next week ready for the wolves game.

If what Murphy says is correct - I think its Brucey !
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Post by De Kuip Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:22 pm

4BetLite wrote:Missed it DK. Not on twatter......  Any links available would be appreciated

All the Twatter screen grabs are in the article in the Mail - you jut have to scroll down a bit - here's the link to the article, I think the Virgin trains stuff is about halfway down.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-next-manager-search-11973371
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Post by AstonThriller Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:31 pm

The Nathan Jones link has been mocked by some but looking at his record at Brighton he served as assistant manager under Oscar Garcia and was first team coach under Chris Hughton. He's now gone to Luton and as we saw first hand he's got that team playing for him. And as well as beating us he beat a Premiership team not long ago as well. They are currently right in the mix for promotion too.

I doubt he's top of the list but if they have looked at him I'd imagine that's down to Round's depth of knowledge.
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Post by smetro Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:37 pm

AstonThriller wrote:The Nathan Jones link has been mocked by some but looking at his record at Brighton he served as assistant manager under Oscar Garcia and was first team coach under Chris Hughton. He's now gone to Luton and as we saw first hand he's got that team playing for him. And as well as beating us he beat a Premiership team not long ago as well. They are currently right in the mix for promotion too.

I doubt he's top of the list but if they have looked at him I'd imagine that's down to Round's depth of knowledge.

I wonder if at long last were doing a 'Southampton' - who know there next managerial targets even when everyone is perfectly happy with the current incumbent. So Nathan Jones may be earmarked for couple of managers down the line (probably april 2017 the rate we are going !)
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Post by Trotters Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:57 pm

ThIs response from.the club's official twitter was brilliant. And they should have stopped right there. Going on to list the silverware we've won that Virgin hasn't was embarrassing.

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Post by Trotters Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:59 pm

And the Birmingham Mail is CONSTANTLY tweeting articles about Dim Tim. It's fucking bizarre. Some managers have absolutely no tactical substance at all but their PR is incredible.
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Post by Trotters Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:08 am

I find Redknapp's offer to work for free unless we get promoted hilarious. He'd just see to it that he'd have the funds to replace the entire squad and make his money from dodgy deals.

Having said that, wouldn't it be nice if the game as a whole shifted more into the realm of performance-based remuneration as opposed to the diabolical system we have now?

Anyway, twitter seems to be moving a little toward Wagner in the last 24 hours. Bruce maybe still the favourite (maybe!) but if he was suddenly picked up by another club then I think we'd see just about every Villa fan on the Wagner-Wagon (except those that are insisting that Sherwood should return).

Sorry, @NARLA24....but you and the Mail are nutbags! Laughing at You  

The below quote is from BetFair. I might add a more expansive list to a poll and see where TBAR opinions are at:

Aston Villa's crisis shows no sign of ending. Roberto di Matteo has been sacked after just 12 games in charge and there is no outstanding candidate lined up to replace him. Villa, who sit 19th in the Championship, have continued their tradition of allowing managers to spend big in the transfer window only to be relieved of their duty early in the season - leaving the club in total disarray.

Owner Tony Xia played it fairly safe with his first managerial appointment, but has since complained on Twitter that "very limited time and choices" was to blame for his poor selection. It is quite possible that his boundless optimism will see the likes of Roberto Mancini approached, but since Villa have only won four of their last 51 league matches it is far more likely that Villa will end up with Steve Bruce - the clear front runner at this time.

Steve Bruce - Evens
An underwhelming choice, Steve Bruce would be arguably the safest option for Villa but one that would be very unpopular with the fans. Bruce has an excellent track record as a manager and has won promotion to the Premier League on three occasions - but one of these was with Villa's rivals Birmingham City.

The last time an ex-Blues manager was appointed it ended disastrously. Alex McLeish was booed frequently by the home fans and his role quickly became untenable; Xia may find a similar reaction on Twitter - where he is very vocal and communicative with fans - should he approach Bruce.

Tactically, Bruce is a fairly conservative manager who prioritises defensive solidity. This is exactly what Villa need; their excellent attack has been undermined this season by conceding sloppy goals in the final five minutes.#


David Wagner - 7/4
The Guardian have reported that David Wagner is Aston Villa's first choice, but he may not wish to drop down after leading Huddersfield to the top of the Championship. Having been at the club for less than a year Wagner is at the beginning of his project, which could mean the club do not allow Villa to even contact him.

Wagner's success at Huddersfield is even more impressive given that it is his first senior job in management. He was part of Jurgen Klopp's team at Dortmund, managing their reserves for four years.


Dean Smith - 5/1
Lifelong Villa fan Dean Smith has already publicly distanced himself from the job, although this response is to be expected before the club make any contact with him. His Brentford side sit 7th in the Championship after collecting 18 points from their first 11 matches, and so dropping down to Villa's level would be something of a gamble for the 45-year-old.

Smith built his reputation during a five-year stint as manager of Walsall, in which he took the League One club from the foot of the table to play-off hopefuls on a tiny budget. He is renowned for his fluid, possession-based football and this would surely impress Xia. That he has experience in turning around a struggling club certainly works to his advantage - and a big contract offer from Villa might be too tempting to refuse. He is well worth a small bet at 6/1.


Steve Clarke - 7/1
Steve Clark has been handed caretaker duties at Villa whilst Xia searches for a replacement, and since the club do not have anyone lined up he could get several games in charge. If he bags a couple of wins, the job will most likely be his.
Clark enjoyed a very impressive 18 months in charge of West Brom before being unfairly sacked in 2013, and has only had one short managerial role since then. He led Reading to the FA Cup semi-final in 2014 but was sacked in December that year after a poor start to the new season.
However, Villa's next match is not for 12 days and thus Clark may not get the chance to prove himself to the club's hierarchy. At 7/1, it is probably not worth backing unless the Bruce rumours quieten down.


Simon Grayson - 10/1
Ex-Villa player Simon Grayson has been linked with this job on numerous occasions over the last few years, and with good reason. Grayson has won promotions with all four of the clubs he has managed, the latest being Preston North End - who beat Villa 2-0 on Saturday.
His excellent work at Blackpool and Leeds United deserves more recognition, and Villa is arguably the perfect job for him to prove his worth. Grayson is an exciting manager with the expertise to guide Villa into the Premier League and beyond.

However, he was not approached by the club in July despite being available, which probably means that Xia is not interested in the 46-year-old.


Lee Johnson - 9/1
Lee Johnson's appearance on Xia's potential shortlist shows how small the talent pool is for Villa. Johnson has achieved mild success at Oldham and Barnsley, and his Bristol City side are currently 5th in the Championship.
Johnson would be a very surprising choice given that he has never achieved promotion, specialising instead in converting relegation candidates into mid-table sides. It also seems unlikely that he would leave Bristol City whilst things are going so well. Don't back him to get the job at 9/1.

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Post by DelboyVilla Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:35 am

Looks like Warnock is off to Cardiff so they are no doubt going to finish above us now?

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Post by Villa_Dan Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:55 am

I hate Warnock with an absolute passion. Fucking gobshite who looks like he belongs on a crimewatch appeal.

Decent record at this level but Bruce is better
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Post by AstonThriller Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:53 am

LOL I see the press are claiming Nathan Jones has "ruled himself out" of the Villa job HERE. Firstly no-one offered him the job to "rule it out", secondly he doesn't actually rule himself out in those comments. All I see is him towing the party line after his side won a match yesterday. There's not a single league two or league one manager out there who would turn down this job, so the media need to get real.
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Post by 4BetLite Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:55 am

If we sign bruce its the final nail in the coffin that we have sunk to the same level as our local rivals ............... fuck that, we are ASTON VILLA.
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Post by Guest Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:01 am

I think we will experience a lot of managers ruling themselves out of the job that they would never get. It looks good to their fans, employer and future employer.
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Post by Villa_Dan Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:13 am

4BetLite wrote:If we sign bruce its the final nail in the coffin that we have sunk to the same level as our local rivals ............... fuck that, we are ASTON VILLA.

We are also 2 point off the relegation zone in 19th. The Villa name means about as much as the Leeds United name does in modern football. Regardless of how much money we spent in the summer.
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Post by AstonThriller Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:42 am

Villa_Dan wrote:

We are also 2 point off the relegation zone in 19th. The Villa name means about as much as the Leeds United name does in modern football. Regardless of how much money we spent in the summer.

Don't agree. We've been in this division for five minutes, not ten years. We're still making headlines in the press, spoken about in depth on talksport, BBC five live, sky sports news etc. Our star is still shining but I agree if this carries on for a year or so we'll be quickly forgotten.
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Post by Wriggle Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:03 am

I hope the list is in the following order...

Dyche
Big Sam
Wagner
Rowett
Hodgson


I'd be more than happy with any of those to be honest. Really don't want Bruce as I'm not a big fan, but having said that he has proved he can do a job in this league and could well get us out of it, so on the proviso that he got a golden handshake if he gets us promotion then I'd back him.
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