Next Manager - I want names

AstonThriller wrote:

smetro wrote:That list is a reality check - its kinda why I hope bruce limps on - I just hope that a decent manager unexpectedly becomes available and falls into villa park.
I d expect JT to be caretaker manager - with Pardew\Moyes stepping in if he does shit

What list? The bollox one bookie has put together?

Im not defending Bruce but right now I just don't see anyone else available. I know you're keen on Karanka - but don't think it will be him which depressingly leads us to Pardew \ Moyes or Terry

I'm not even sure if it's worth thinking about who's going to be the next manager, it's kind of depressing whilst Bruce is still here, and there doesn't seem to be any indication he's going to lose his job whatsoever.

smetro wrote:

Im not defending Bruce but right now I just don't see anyone else available. I know you're keen on Karanka - but don't think it will be him which depressingly leads us to Pardew \ Moyes or Terry

And why wouldn't it be him? Has he shagged Wyness's wife or something? There are plenty of options if you broaden your knowledge of coaches Smetro.

And btw, Pardew would be a much better option than the clown we have incharge right now imo.

I think Karanka would be one of the more likely options, as he's got experience of this league and of getting promoted. Pardew would be a better option than Bruce, for the simple fact that he'd at least have a go, and not treat every team we play as if they're Barcelona; he's more of an impact manager really and as such reminds me of Sherwood, but with Pardew the impact usually lasts for at least a season, rather than a few games.

But as has been said many times already we really need to get with the times and appoint a manager who will bring us into the modern game, as it stands we're being left behind.

AstonThriller wrote:

smetro wrote:

Im not defending Bruce but right now I just don't see anyone else available. I know you're keen on Karanka - but don't think it will be him which depressingly leads us to Pardew \ Moyes or Terry

And why wouldn't it be him? Has he shagged Wyness's wife or something? There are plenty of options if you broaden your knowledge of coaches Smetro.

And btw, Pardew would be a much better option than the clown we have incharge right now imo.

Im not choosing the manager mate. I just don't think the next one will be Karanka.

I don't have a vast knowledge of coaches - I will admit to that. The club could go totally left field and bring in an unknown - but IMO the next manager is likely to be from that list should we axe bruce in the next couple of weeks.

smetro wrote:

Im not choosing the manager mate. I just don't think the next one will be Karanka.

I don't have a vast knowledge of coaches - I will admit to that. The club could go totally left field and bring in an unknown - but IMO the next manager is likely to be from that list should we axe bruce in the next couple of weeks.

But it's easy to "think" something without having any evidence to back up that notion? I mean if you "thought" that we wouldn't be getting Conte as a replacement, then that would be perfectly logical because the man is a born winner and belongs at a much higher level than the championship. But to think that Karanka, who is a FREE AGENT, who has vast EXPERIENCE IN THIS DIVISION, WHO HAS BEEN PROMOTED from this division and has already hailed our squad as "one of the best in this division", wouldn't be an option for the club, then to me you're being a tad naive tbh. But in all honesty when one thinks about your apparent dislike of foreign managers, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.

deadbuzzardalive wrote:I think Karanka would be one of the more likely options, as he's got experience of this league and of getting promoted. Pardew would be a better option than Bruce, for the simple fact that he'd at least have a go, and not treat every team we play as if they're Barcelona; he's more of an impact manager really and as such reminds me of Sherwood, but with Pardew the impact usually lasts for at least a season, rather than a few games.

But as has been said many times already we really need to get with the times and appoint a manager who will bring us into the modern game, as it stands we're being left behind.

It's not just his experience of this league. It's the fact that he took Boro from near the bottom of the championship and guided them to twelfth (eight points away from the play-offs). Then the next year he guided them to fourth (one point behind 3rd and just four points behind 2nd) and made it to the play-off final, the year after that he achieved automatic promotion by finishing second after beating Brighton in a virtual "winner takes it all" game. So in his last two years in this league he's had a blinder. And when you couple that with the fact that he's a young, modern coach, then what the f'#ck are we waiting for? The more I think about this board, more the sick I feel tbh.

AstonThriller wrote:

smetro wrote:

Im not choosing the manager mate. I just don't think the next one will be Karanka.

I don't have a vast knowledge of coaches - I will admit to that. The club could go totally left field and bring in an unknown - but IMO the next manager is likely to be from that list should we axe bruce in the next couple of weeks.

But it's easy to "think" something without having any evidence to back up that notion? I mean if you "thought" that we wouldn't be getting Conte as a replacement, then that would be perfectly logical because the man is a born winner and belongs at a much higher level than the championship. But to think that Karanka, who is a FREE AGENT, who has vast EXPERIENCE IN THIS DIVISION, WHO HAS BEEN PROMOTED from this division and has already hailed our squad as "one of the best in this division", wouldn't be an option for the club, then to me you're being a tad naive tbh. But in all honesty when one thinks about your apparent dislike of foreign managers, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.

Your putting words into my my mouth:-

1.I am not opposed to foreign managers - I am opposed to crap foreign managers like Remi Garde who totally and utterly out of his depth as always looked likely to be

2.I wouldn't be opposed to Karanka - seems to have a reasonable record in this division as you rightly state

3. Do I think it will be Karanka ? no. Keith Wyness recently said only recently he is wary on those young modern manager types - throw in the fact he signed Traroe, and Gestede from us and I think Wyness would see enough red flags. I could be wrong but but didn't have have a running Feud with the Boro chairman ?

IMO the villa board will have Pardew much higher up the ranking than Karanka.

Well at least Woy has gone to palace?

Hodgson would have been infinitely better than Bruce.

True but so would Mr Potato Head out of Toy Story! Bruce is out of his depth and he is drowning our chances of promotion this season with him!

There are better choices than Woy! Xia needs to grow a pair and appoint one!

smetro wrote:

Your putting words into my my mouth:-

1.I am not opposed to foreign managers - I am opposed to crap foreign managers like Remi Garde who totally and utterly out of his depth as always looked likely to be

2.I wouldn't be opposed to Karanka - seems to have a reasonable record in this division as you rightly state

3. Do I think it will be Karanka ? no. Keith Wyness recently said only recently he is wary on those young modern manager types - throw in the fact he signed Traroe, and Gestede from us and I think Wyness would see enough red flags. I could be wrong but but didn't have have a running Feud with the Boro chairman ?

IMO the villa board will have Pardew much higher up the ranking than Karanka.

I don't believe Wyness's word is the be all and end all though. From what I understand it's Round who is more responsible for selecting manager than Wyness, and Xia is the one who makes the final decision on things. And tbh ruling someone out because they are "younger" than potato head would be the most asinine thing I've ever heard of in this game. What counts is Karanka's recent record in this division, and the stats don't lie in that regard. Buying Adama and Gestede is neither here nor there. Even Sir Alex bought rubbish every now and then.

smetro wrote:

AstonThriller wrote:

smetro wrote:

Im not choosing the manager mate. I just don't think the next one will be Karanka.

I don't have a vast knowledge of coaches - I will admit to that. The club could go totally left field and bring in an unknown - but IMO the next manager is likely to be from that list should we axe bruce in the next couple of weeks.

But it's easy to "think" something without having any evidence to back up that notion? I mean if you "thought" that we wouldn't be getting Conte as a replacement, then that would be perfectly logical because the man is a born winner and belongs at a much higher level than the championship. But to think that Karanka, who is a FREE AGENT, who has vast EXPERIENCE IN THIS DIVISION, WHO HAS BEEN PROMOTED from this division and has already hailed our squad as "one of the best in this division", wouldn't be an option for the club, then to me you're being a tad naive tbh. But in all honesty when one thinks about your apparent dislike of foreign managers, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.

Your putting words into my my mouth:-

That's pretty much all he does on this forum. No idea why he isn't just talking to himself instead.

Fwiw, I think it's refreshing to see some loyalty from our owners when it comes to Bruce.. He's pretty shit and deserves the sack, but this kinda patience is a rariety these days. I quite like it, yet I hate it.

Wyness is being loyal to a friend, if this was someone he didn't have a special relationship with they'd have been fired by now, it's starting to feel like Xia is being used.

Joppe84 wrote:

That's pretty much all he does on this forum. No idea why he isn't just talking to himself instead.

Oh look, the baby's CRYING again.........

AstonThriller wrote:

Joppe84 wrote:

That's pretty much all he does on this forum. No idea why he isn't just talking to himself instead.

Oh look, the baby's CRYING again.........

I suppose it could be worse, he might be posting high and mighty posts about passing on his supreme knowledge to people close to Xia and the owner being deluded enough to not act upon it......................

Wouldn't be surprised if they've decided they're sticking with Bruce no matter what, Ho, Xia and Snodgrass, all said some interesting things when he signed, which made me think that could be the case.

Clotet is probably the contingency plan should we still be in this division next season (as it stands we're more likely to be in league one, than the Premier).

Dazzle wrote:

I suppose it could be worse, he might be posting high and mighty posts about passing on his supreme knowledge to people close to Xia and the owner being deluded enough to not act upon it......................

Yeah because us "normal folk" could never have a decent idea that the club might want to take on board, could we?

And btw, some of the people close to xia are actually active on social media, they aren't hard to contact.

deadbuzzardalive wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if they've decided they're sticking with Bruce no matter what, Ho, Xia and Snodgrass, all said some interesting things when he signed, which made me think that could be the case.

Clotet is probably the contingency plan should we still be in this division next season (as it stands we're more likely to be in league one, than the Premier).

DBA, I know you're desperate for Bruce to go just like I am, but come on pal, do you really think they can tolerate this for too much longer? I just go back to the interview Wyness gave "TheVillaView", where he said "there's no excuses for us not getting promotion"...and then I go back and look at the tweet from Xia claiming "Yorke is right, this division is easy to get out of". So imo they would be absolute hypocrites of the highest order if they allow Bruce to carry on for much longer after making those statements.

The sad thing is, we're now gonna go into another match and probably waste more points because of their dithering. This is what bugs me the most tbh...this should have been done after the Reading game but they've dragged this out and it's probably to the cost of an automatic promotion place now.

That's what I don't get, Wyness was talking about how everything is in place for success and there can be no excuses for failure, in separate interviews he talked about not being afraid to make the big decisions and how we need to be looking at scoring eighty goals if we want promotion.

At the moment we're in a horrible situation whereby we win or draw a game and it's detrimental to our future because it keeps Bruce in a job, lose and we fall off the pace even more, and even then there's no guarantee that they'll even make a change.

It shouldn't be so hard. The barcodes are hardly a flush & well oiled machine of a club & yet they've dropped down, gone up again in one season & are currently middle of the PL table; all with a manager that had no Championship experience. But he has a technically sound reading of the game. The rallying cry, motivate-the-team-&-everything-else-will-fall-into-place managers like O'Neil, Sherwood & Bruce just don't cut it anymore unless you're in a cup match or a derby. It only takes a rudimentary level of investigation to find out which category managers fall under.

Xia apparently also following Meulensteen, when you think that both he and Clotet have been successful coaches, then maybe that's the direction they're looking in, rather than a new manager.

deadbuzzardalive wrote:Xia apparently also following Meulensteen, when you think that both he and Clotet have been successful coaches, then maybe that's the direction they're looking in, rather than a new manager.

Meulensteen has by all accounts just been appointed head coach of a team in India. Hasn't even had his first game yet so can't see there being anything in that.

To me Karanka just ticks all the boxes tbh. Yes he appears to be a little hot tempered and likes to focus on his defense a lot. But I just think with the attacking players we have at the club, he'd absolutely thrive here. For Boro he played Adomah on the left-wing which garnered good results, and had De-laet ar right-back too. He also tried to sign Snodgrass so the guy would really love his options here I think.

If not him then I'd be intrigued to see what De boar could do with us!!!..just a clean slate and the space to implement his philosophy into the club.

Xia seemingly has an interest in Indian football, so him following Meulsteen could be just linked to that.

As for De Boer, with him knowing the Ajax way and how they've been very successful at bringing through their academy players, something that Xia seemingly wants to happen at Villa, then you'd think he'd have to be under serious consideration.

deadbuzzardalive wrote:Xia seemingly has an interest in Indian football, so him following Meulsteen could be just linked to that.

As for De Boer, with him knowing the Ajax way and how they've been very successful at bringing through their academy players, something that Xia seemingly wants to happen at Villa, then you'd think he'd have to be under serious consideration.

Think it's a great chance to finally put a system in place. De Boar will be hurting from what happened at Palace and IF he came here and was a success, wouldn't he owe a lot to this club for giving him a chance in his lowest moment? Think it would make sense tbh.