Re: Manager: Roberto's own thread

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:37 am

Trotters wrote:

That close enough for ya?

lmao fockin hell

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:56 am

unreal some of the stuff I'm reading on here. 2 more games to go for RDM I really would do the deed now" Really what is more games going to show us etc its ludicrous it really is. some people need to give their head a wobble. not gonna read any more on here today as depressing as fock and quite simply mental comments.

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:24 am

Trotters wrote:I'm dreading the game against the noses now.

As for RDM,. I agree Dan. He might get away with losing to Newcastle next round - although you have to look at our last result against them and ask why, when their chairman has effectively asset-stripped them while ours broke the bank. After that though, I don't think he'll have any place to hide when Tony comes calling.

Newcastle completely different, Rafa was there with the club for most of last season. there hasn't been a change of ownership or he hasn't got a completely new squad either

by Villa_Dan Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:41 am

Not a completely new squad but lost their best players. And 5 of their starting 11 were new players. It isn't like they've kept the same XI from last season

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:48 am

Joppe84 wrote:I think your posts are very good AT, but if you fancy comparing things.. I'd compare how teams do after replacing such a big part of their playing squad as we've done. Like PDC with Sunderland

completely agree mate Manager: Roberto's own thread - Page 7 3769219917

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:52 am

Villa_Dan wrote:Not a completely new squad but lost their best players. And 5 of their starting 11 were new players. It isn't like they've kept the same XI from last season

lets get rid of RDM then mate, what happens if the next manager looses 2 games out of 8 we get rid and start again and then again and again and again?? come off it mate

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:55 am

Joppe84 wrote:This is what I hate more than anything in modern football. The demand of instant results. Just ridiculous even debating sacking RDM.

We had the same problems with Sherwood, and quite simply you need a lot of time to settle down a new group of players.

Even Man Utd with their billion quid purchases aren't debating sacking Mourinho despite being shite.

matey again I completely agree with you (whats going on pmsl), ridiculous to talk of sacking RDM. like I said last week, some fans are unreal and some mentally unstable I think

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:55 am

Joppe84 wrote:This is what I hate more than anything in modern football. The demand of instant results. Just ridiculous even debating sacking RDM.

We had the same problems with Sherwood, and quite simply you need a lot of time to settle down a new group of players.

Even Man Utd with their billion quid purchases aren't debating sacking Mourinho despite being shite.

by Villa_Dan Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:10 pm

I'm not even going to entertain you. It's clear you think anyone that thinks otherwise is "mentally unstable" so you just go on thinking your thing and I'll go on with mine.

For the record, I'm not on the sack RDM bandwagon, I am on the RDM has a deadline to get results bandwagon. That deadline is only getting closer.

by Dazzle Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:14 pm

jimbop wrote:
Trotters wrote:I'm dreading the game against the noses now.

As for RDM,. I agree Dan. He might get away with losing to Newcastle next round - although you have to look at our last result against them and ask why, when their chairman has effectively asset-stripped them while ours broke the bank. After that though, I don't think he'll have any place to hide when Tony comes calling.

Newcastle completely different, Rafa was there with the club for most of last season. there hasn't been a change of ownership or he hasn't got a completely new squad either

Benitez was with Newcastle for around 25% of last season. That's not "most" of the season.

by AstonThriller Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:29 pm

Joppe84 wrote:I think your posts are very good AT, but if you fancy comparing things.. I'd compare how teams do after replacing such a big part of their playing squad as we've done. Like PDC with Sunderland

I tried to stick to what's happening in our league tbh. If you want to look outside of that then Watford changed manager and had a massive squad overhaul last summer which culminated in them bringing in twelve players in the summer and another four in the January window. In the end of course they stayed up comfortably. Also Dicanio wasn't a new manager was he? He saved Sunderland from relegation the previous season (one of his results that year was our 6-1 over Sunderland) and then totally rebuilt the following summer. So what Dicanio did was probably closer to what Sherwood did with us tbh rather than what RDM has done.

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:33 pm

Villa_Dan wrote:I'm not even going to entertain you. It's clear you think anyone that thinks otherwise is "mentally unstable" so you just go on thinking your thing and I'll go on with mine.

For the record, I'm not on the sack RDM bandwagon, I am on the RDM has a deadline to get results bandwagon. That deadline is only getting closer.

fair enuff I pr0obably used the wrong words and put it across wrong. apologies matey

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:26 pm

AstonThriller wrote:
Joppe84 wrote:I think your posts are very good AT, but if you fancy comparing things.. I'd compare how teams do after replacing such a big part of their playing squad as we've done. Like PDC with Sunderland

I tried to stick to what's happening in our league tbh. If you want to look outside of that then Watford changed manager and had a massive squad overhaul last summer which culminated in them bringing in twelve players in the summer and another four in the January window. In the end of course they stayed up comfortably. Also Dicanio wasn't a new manager was he? He saved Sunderland from relegation the previous season (one of his results that year was our 6-1 over Sunderland) and then totally rebuilt the following summer. So what Dicanio did was probably closer to what Sherwood did with us tbh rather than what RDM has done.

Well that's not comperable is it? Wasn't Watford just promoted? Thus they had a massive confidence and a very settled squad. Anyone coming into that club would come to a stabilized club. It's literally the complete opposite with all the signings we've made. We've gotten a lot of new sailors for a ship that's already sunk. Ofc. it's going to be a big job to salvage it. Sunderland under PDC is a very good comparison as they also signed a heap of players that came to an destabilized club and it also went bloody awful. They sacked him quite early (as their fans demanded instant results as well), but now they are back into the mire. There's no quick fix here. We have to stick with RDM and accept a few losses and draws until we click.

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:35 pm

Joppe84 wrote:
AstonThriller wrote:
Joppe84 wrote:I think your posts are very good AT, but if you fancy comparing things.. I'd compare how teams do after replacing such a big part of their playing squad as we've done. Like PDC with Sunderland

I tried to stick to what's happening in our league tbh. If you want to look outside of that then Watford changed manager and had a massive squad overhaul last summer which culminated in them bringing in twelve players in the summer and another four in the January window. In the end of course they stayed up comfortably. Also Dicanio wasn't a new manager was he? He saved Sunderland from relegation the previous season (one of his results that year was our 6-1 over Sunderland) and then totally rebuilt the following summer. So what Dicanio did was probably closer to what Sherwood did with us tbh rather than what RDM has done.

Well that's not comperable is it? Wasn't Watford just promoted? Thus they had a massive confidence and a very settled squad. Anyone coming into that club would come to a stabilized club. It's literally the complete opposite with all the signings we've made. We've gotten a lot of new sailors for a ship that's already sunk. Ofc. it's going to be a big job to salvage it. Sunderland under PDC is a very good comparison as they also signed a heap of players that came to an destabilized club and it also went bloody awful. They sacked him quite early (as their fans demanded instant results as well), but now they are back into the mire. There's no quick fix here. We have to stick with RDM and accept a few losses and draws until we click.

by FoxyAV Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:56 pm

I'm not sure why but I like RDM and think we should give him the whole season, unless he really messes it up.

by Villa_Dan Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:10 pm

FoxyAV wrote:I'm not sure why but I like RDM and think we should give him the whole season, unless he really messes it up.

I like him and I don't think we are doing loads wrong but we are still doing things wrong consistently. When we announced RDM and Clarke I was so excited I peed a little.

But my problem with giving him an entire season is that if we don't go up we'll be putting all of our eggs into next season. If we aren't in the premier league by the end of next season we get his with FFP and transfer bans, fines etc.

A transfer ban means you can stick another 2 seasons on our stay in the championship. It's a gamble righting off this season if RDM isn't doing the business.

by FoxyAV Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:18 pm

It looks like we're in the same boat as ManU:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37403310

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:24 pm

FoxyAV wrote:It looks like we're in the same boat as ManU:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37403310

sack jose NOW, hes shit, clueless, no tactical brain, FFS 5 games are more than enough, JOSE out JOSE out

by DelboyVilla Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:54 pm

I am not in the RDM out group but I do have concerns over some of the on pitch decisions he has made thus far and think errors have been made that have no relationship to how the club was run last year.

There is in my mind no issue with questioning some of the tactics employed this season by RDM and his staff, that to me is only natural on a discussion forum.

Also if someone thinks he needs replacing, that's fine with me too as we are all entitled to an opinion. I also realize that it is very easy to react to certain comments and I think most of us are guilty of that.

For me too many of the dropped points this season have come from silly tactical errors on RDM's part and I hope he learns from this. I want RDM to succeed and I think we have a team good enough to go straight up this year which is a positive for me.

by Guest Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:05 pm

jimbop wrote:
FoxyAV wrote:It looks like we're in the same boat as ManU:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37403310

sack jose NOW, hes shit, clueless, no tactical brain, FFS 5 games are more than enough, JOSE out JOSE out

even fellaini is loosing the plot!! - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marouane-fellaini-claims-manchester-united-8868429

by Synopsis Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:18 pm

Villa_Dan wrote:
FoxyAV wrote:I'm not sure why but I like RDM and think we should give him the whole season, unless he really messes it up.

I like him and I don't think we are doing loads wrong but we are still doing things wrong consistently. When we announced RDM and Clarke I was so excited I peed a little.

But my problem with giving him an entire season is that if we don't go up we'll be putting all of our eggs into next season. If we aren't in the premier league by the end of next season we get his with FFP and transfer bans, fines etc.

A transfer ban means you can stick another 2 seasons on our stay in the championship. It's a gamble righting off this season if RDM isn't doing the business.

Don't see FFP affecting us at the end of next season tbh, the good Dr could get one of his many companies to be our main shirt sponsor, what about the VicVilla company that was bringing out that energy drink in China, even a shit energy drink will make a fortune over there, all goes into the Villa finances.

by Villa_Dan Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:41 pm

Synopsis wrote:
Villa_Dan wrote:
FoxyAV wrote:I'm not sure why but I like RDM and think we should give him the whole season, unless he really messes it up.

I like him and I don't think we are doing loads wrong but we are still doing things wrong consistently. When we announced RDM and Clarke I was so excited I peed a little.

But my problem with giving him an entire season is that if we don't go up we'll be putting all of our eggs into next season. If we aren't in the premier league by the end of next season we get his with FFP and transfer bans, fines etc.

A transfer ban means you can stick another 2 seasons on our stay in the championship. It's a gamble righting off this season if RDM isn't doing the business.

Don't see FFP affecting us at the end of next season tbh, the good Dr could get one of his many companies to be our main shirt sponsor, what about the VicVilla company that was bringing out that energy drink in China, even a shit energy drink will make a fortune over there, all goes into the Villa finances.

Didn't they close that loophole?

by AstonThriller Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:32 pm

Joppe84 wrote:

Well that's not comperable is it? Wasn't Watford just promoted? Thus they had a massive confidence and a very settled squad. Anyone coming into that club would come to a stabilized club. It's literally the complete opposite with all the signings we've made. We've gotten a lot of new sailors for a ship that's already sunk. Ofc. it's going to be a big job to salvage it. Sunderland under PDC is a very good comparison as they also signed a heap of players that came to an destabilized club and it also went bloody awful. They sacked him quite early (as their fans demanded instant results as well), but now they are back into the mire. There's no quick fix here. We have to stick with RDM and accept a few losses and draws until we click.

I'm talking about the philosophy of changing a manager at summer and bringing in a whole bunch of players. The dicanio situation is not the same simply because he spent time with the Sunderland squad during a season, assessed them and then changed them in the summer. RDM didn't have that luxury here, which is why the situation is more similar to Watford because they changed their manager and a lot of the players they had gotten promoted with were on loan.

And BTW I've already said we should stick with RDM until Xmas and then look at our situation before the window opens.

by The Utterer Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:03 am

jimbop wrote:
jimbop wrote:
FoxyAV wrote:It looks like we're in the same boat as ManU:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37403310

sack jose NOW, hes shit, clueless, no tactical brain, FFS 5 games are more than enough, JOSE out JOSE out

even fellaini is loosing the plot!! - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marouane-fellaini-claims-manchester-united-8868429

Lol! Exactly my thoughts Jimbop!

We need stability now after years of huge changes. I have no doubt it will turn. The team barely know each others names for goodness sake.

by **Trotters** Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:17 am

That's an interesting article considering many manure fans consider Fellaini to be one if the main culprits for their current run of form.

As for RDM, I've calmed down a bit since last weekend but I can see all that angst coming back with another couple of poor performances/needlessly dropped points in a row.

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