What starting lineup do you hope to see against Citeh?

Joppe84 wrote:

mefromhere wrote:Gardner isn't injured again. He played 85 minutes Monday against Newcastle. That quote is from pre-season so site is out of date

Not true. It's fully updated. Says Gardner is back 21st Nov 15. Westwood is there as well.

For all I know it might be the match you refer to that Gardner got injured in.

Gardner on Monday night: Was good to get 85 minutes Under my belt tonight another step towards full fitness gutted for both my result and the first team #utv

Gabby is so shit they didn't even bother looking up a photo for him.

mefromhere wrote:

Joppe84 wrote:

mefromhere wrote:Gardner isn't injured again. He played 85 minutes Monday against Newcastle. That quote is from pre-season so site is out of date

Not true. It's fully updated. Says Gardner is back 21st Nov 15. Westwood is there as well.

For all I know it might be the match you refer to that Gardner got injured in.

Gardner on Monday night: Was good to get 85 minutes Under my belt tonight another step towards full fitness gutted for both my result and the first team #utv

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

He's try to say that it's entirely possible that the physio room site hasn't received an update from the club. 

Personally, I find it really hard to believe that the club fail at communication. 

But if Gardner himself has said he's getting back to fitness, then you have to take it as meaning that he's back in training until he breaks again in half an hour.

Gardner played Great for forest last year and and scored some great goals ,free kicks this from DM, Veretout has done nothing the league he came from =championship at best I guess you have seen him on you tube so he looks great you must have some irrational love for him guess( why get personnel )

villajk wrote:Gardner played Great for forest last year and and scored some great goals ,free kicks this from DM, Veretout has done nothing the league he came from =championship at best I guess you have seen him on you tube so he looks great you must have some irrational love for him guess( why get personnel )

Sorry, I was a huge Gardner fan and told anyone who would listen that he'd be the next Gerrard, but Veretout is a much more complete player at this time. Gardner just can't guarantee his fitness and if you compare their short Villa appearances side by side Veretout has looked much better. He was also highly rated and chased by clubs other than ourselves. 

At this moment in time Vereout > Gardner

You're partially right. I've got no empirical data to suggest Veretout is better than Gardner.

Then again he was wanted by loads of clubs around Europe. The only reason he came here was 1) we had the premier wages 2) we could offer what the French club wanted.

There will never be a load of foreign clubs after Gardner. He will never be sold for anything close to what Veretout is and was listed at. And this is because like in everything else there's a cost connected to supply and demand. Quality is expensive, Gardner has showed to be neither.

This is the worst Villa side I've ever seen and Gardner can't solidify his place. I just don't get the hype. How many more managers does it need to avoid picking him for people to understand that he's not especially good.

villajk wrote:Gardner played Great for forest last year and and scored some great goals ,free kicks this from DM, Veretout has done nothing the league he came from =championship at best I guess you have seen him on you tube so he looks great you must have some irrational love for him guess( why get personnel )

That inferior French league you allude to produced two champions league quarter finalists last season. To compare it to our second tier championship is some way off.

Because the Managers know when fit he will be our best midfielder unlike us we only see 90mins of the team, I know we all think we no better, he will probable be the next Cahil.( or Albrighton, Davies) don't class kmac as a manager

At this moment Gardner is not our best midfielder. There is no argument you can make which can be backed by actual performances in the league to support it

I SAID WHEN FIT and what have you seen in veretout iv seen nothing

villajk wrote:what have you seen in veretout iv seen nothing

I've watched him play this season with my own eyes, and he's had a real touch of class about him. Gardner's appearances at this level have only ever been solid, he's shown nothing in any premier league match

Joppe84 wrote:

mefromhere wrote:Gardner isn't injured again. He played 85 minutes Monday against Newcastle. That quote is from pre-season so site is out of date

Not true. It's fully updated. Says Gardner is back 21st Nov 15. Westwood is there as well.

For all I know it might be the match you refer to that Gardner got injured in.

Gardner got injured in the pre-season match at Swindon. It was s bad tAckle.

So you disregard Veretout because he's only previously played in the French leagues that you believe are of a lower standard than the premiership, then claim that Gardner is better because he's played in....an ACTUAL lower league than the premiership. 

Like Dan, I've bee my very encouraged by the performances I've seen and the reports I've read. But when it's come to the top flight, he's not stood out as anything other than average. 

Maybe he needs an extended run and more experience. But, because he's made of part glass and part bad luck, he's not had why at opportunity. Meanwhile, players his age ARE getting that experience and ARE getting better. 

Veretout is the player Gardner always promised he'd be. And that's after just a few games. In another 6 months he'll be quite something. 

And as for him not doing anything in France, there have been enough reports in here alone to dispel that position. 

It's great that you want Gardner to massively succeed....I don't think you'll find a Villa fan that doesn't. But you also won't find too many now that genuinely believe he will.

Terry Derry wrote:

Joppe84 wrote:

mefromhere wrote:Gardner isn't injured again. He played 85 minutes Monday against Newcastle. That quote is from pre-season so site is out of date

Not true. It's fully updated. Says Gardner is back 21st Nov 15. Westwood is there as well.

For all I know it might be the match you refer to that Gardner got injured in.

Gardner got injured in the pre-season match at Swindon. It was s bad tAckle.

Well if he got a slight knock in preseason (Ankle/Foot Injury) and is reported to be back at 21st November, then you should probably stop being a footballer. He's like that bloke from the movie Unbreakable.

Trotters wrote:Veretout is the player Gardner always promised he'd be. And that's after just a few games. In another 6 months he'll be quite something.

+1

In all honesty I think the only reason Gardner is still contracted to us is because the club felt sorry for him after his injuries and gave him an extension.

Imo Gardner hasn't earn't a start in the 11 just yet, if that time come so be it but at present his behind a few.

The question was what line up do I *hope* to see - Here you go.......

Rimmer
Gibson Evans Mc Naught Swain
Bremner Cowans Mortimer Morley
Withe Shaw

Any one that excludes Gabby, Richardson and Lesscot will do for me

andrew24561 wrote:Any one that excludes Gabby, Richardson and Lesscot will do for me

Can I add Sanchez & Westwood to the above please

ABG...

Anybody But Gabby...