Re: AVFC Takeover Thread, Rumours, Gossip and Hearsay...all goes here

[GadgetMan]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11680634/Aston-Villa-manager-Tim-Sherwood-makes-Manchester-City-defender-Micah-Richards-his-first-summer-signing.html
Sanctioned by Lerner or someone else ?

I find all this a little strange the Telegraph and Guardian both run the same story, yet OS not posting anything about the said deal :?:  Will there be a bigger story to run before OS shows MR with a Villa shirt.

If that's all it takes to kick OS into gear we should speculate more, breaking news my arse!
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4800877,00.html

Maybe if we pus the takeover a little more the OS can break that news

Micah Richards is a great signing. Good work Tim/Villa and welcome Micah!

[GadgetMan]

No quotes Or Images of Him until July when They are back for Preseason.

The club wouldn't miss a Opportunity to showcase Him on all over the Website with Sherwood.

Sherwoods First signing He would Want to be Involved with Pics of him and Richards.

Got a feeling this is Takeover Related.

Tim's on holiday still. The pics will follow at some point. I think it has zero it do with any takeover. Funny how' two people can see things completely differently. Great though isn't it?! Imagine if we all simply thought the same way!!

[villabromsgrove]

No quotes Or Images of Him until July when They are back for Preseason.

The club wouldn't miss a Opportunity to showcase Him on all over the Website with Sherwood.

Sherwoods First signing He would Want to be Involved with Pics of him and Richards.

Got a feeling this is Takeover Related.

Tim's on holiday still. The pics will follow at some point. I think it has zero it do with any takeover. Funny how' two people can see things completely differently. Great though isn't it?! Imagine if we all simply thought the same way!!

Snap!

[Wookster]

Hopefully it will be a big spectacular picture when it comes showing new signings, new strip & new owner

[villabromsgrove]

Welcome Micah.

[DN1982]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

[Billy Walker]

Does the news of the VMF restaurant closing its doors for good on July 19th signify anything I wonder?

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/business-news/aston-villas-popular-restaurant-vmf-9476197

[AntJac]

Health Inspectors been?

[GadgetMan]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

I mentioned this a while ago. I can see it delaying someone buying as its a pretty big deal to be able to spend unrestricted by FFP, However there's literally zero chance it's done and just not being announced because of it. Surely that would be fraud?! If not all kinds of ethically wrong and breaking some other laws. If it's done then it gets announced. I could definitely see a preferred buyer wanting to delay though. Absolutely.

[GadgetMan]

Does the news of the VMF restaurant closing its doors for good on July 19th signify anything I wonder?

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/business-news/aston-villas-popular-restaurant-vmf-9476197

That's a real shame. I've been and it is superb. I was involved from a employment aspect with this and simialr NEET projects. There was a lot of European Funding attached and heavy outcomes/targets of employment/sustained outcomes and NVQ/certified training. It was a five year project that's come to an end. It's a shame as it really was a great resturant and a brilliant idea and incentive for local people. The only link I can envisage to the takeover is RL selling may have stopped this getting renewed if it was possible, or at least continuing it as a stand alone project. In reality it didn't make money though, so it's purely a business decision and one that was easier to make whilst we're in trasnsition.

[Billy Walker]

Health Inspectors been?

Ha,ha! Maybe. The article says Lerner saw the restaurant as his own personal project which might suggest it is now closing because he is going.

[Fpuppys]

Health Inspectors been?

Ha,ha!  Maybe.  The article says Lerner saw the restaurant as his own personal project which might suggest it is now closing because he is going.  

To make room for a royal box, think it was loosing revenue for the club and had to close, like most good restaurants.

[DN1982]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

I mentioned this a while ago. I can see it delaying someone buying as its a pretty big deal to be able to spend unrestricted by FFP, However there's literally zero chance it's done and just not being announced because of it. Surely that would be fraud?! If not all kinds of ethically wrong and breaking some other laws. If it's done then it gets announced. I could definitely see a preferred buyer wanting to delay though. Absolutely.

I. Know what you mean but you'd be silly to sign with something that could massively affect your spending just weeks away Just imagine you announce the sale but the goal posts change tomorrow for new owners and you're hands are tied. Surely if nothing's signed there's no issue. Hopefully we are savvy enough just to sit tight for a couple of weeks whilst lining up our targets so once a decision is made we can act quickly.

[Fpuppys]

Quote taken from the times  "In practice, that is likely to mean that club owners will be able to invest more of their own money over a three- to-five-year period as long as they can demonstrate that revenues will grow over that time to allow them to eventually break even".

What's the hold up in that case! we will never spend £100Million a year on transfers even if all the prospective buyers mentioned joined forces, besides that, i still like Villa to be able to compete with the like of Chelsea, Man city and others just from sheer will power from the players.

[GadgetMan]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

I mentioned this a while ago. I can see it delaying someone buying as its a pretty big deal to be able to spend unrestricted by FFP, However there's literally zero chance it's done and just not being announced because of it. Surely that would be fraud?! If not all kinds of ethically wrong and breaking some other laws. If it's done then it gets announced. I could definitely see a preferred buyer wanting to delay though. Absolutely.

I. Know what you mean but you'd be silly to sign with something that could massively affect your spending just weeks away Just imagine you announce the sale but the goal posts change tomorrow for new owners and you're hands are tied. Surely if nothing's signed there's no issue. Hopefully we are savvy enough just to sit tight for a couple of weeks whilst lining up our targets so once a decision is made we can act quickly.

We're agreeing mate. I don't think they would sign without having a pretty good idea of how the FFP will play out. All I'm saying is there's zero chance the deal is ALREADY done and they're keeping it a secret to get around the FFP. They'll just hold off signing the contracts, not lie about it. They aside, it's spot on and I've said several times keep an eye on the FFP situation as it could directly influence the TL of our sale.

[smetro]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

I keep asking this but never get answer.

Could our new owner (or even Randy) - now invest a considerable amount without breaching FFP as it stands ? - thought we were a good distance away from accumulating the losses that would put us in breach of it.


Really don't see FFP as an issue for the takeover, if we got Man City style owners they would pay the fines and work around it - if we get middling owners they can improve the squad without breaching FFP

[Happy to be corrected on any of the above by FFP guru's]

[kimbo]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

I keep asking this but never get answer.

Could our new owner (or even Randy) - now invest a considerable amount without breaching FFP  as it stands ? - thought we were a good distance away from accumulating the losses that would put us in breach of it.


Really don't see FFP as an issue for the takeover, if we got Man City style owners they would pay the fines and work around it - if we get middling owners they can improve the squad without breaching FFP

[Happy to be corrected on any of the above by FFP guru's]

If we got Man City style owners and they could spend what the want without any fines provided they wait a little, I'm sure they'd do that.

Of course, the irony is that as we're not in Europe it wouldn't even be an issue in the short-term. But I'm sure Europe would be a target ASAP and depending on how the FFP rules pan out, it may pay to hold the deal off for a few weeks.

I'm hardly an 'FFP Guru' but surely "Wait a month and potentially save millions of pounds" makes sense?

[smetro]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

I keep asking this but never get answer.

Could our new owner (or even Randy) - now invest a considerable amount without breaching FFP  as it stands ? - thought we were a good distance away from accumulating the losses that would put us in breach of it.


Really don't see FFP as an issue for the takeover, if we got Man City style owners they would pay the fines and work around it - if we get middling owners they can improve the squad without breaching FFP

[Happy to be corrected on any of the above by FFP guru's]

If we got Man City style owners and they could spend what the want without any fines provided they wait a little, I'm sure they'd do that.

Of course, the irony is that as we're not in Europe it wouldn't even be an issue in the short-term. But I'm sure Europe would be a target ASAP and depending on how the FFP rules pan out, it may pay to hold the deal off for a few weeks.

I'm hardly an 'FFP Guru' but surely "Wait a month and potentially save millions of pounds" isn't overly complicated?

But under what scenario does it cost us millions ?

A middling owner - could still invest considerably and not breach FFP ?

It only becomes an issue if we have owner who wants to go nuclear with the cash right from the off - I don't believe such an owner would hang around for FFP.

IMO the probability of FFP holding up any takeover is very small.

[deadbuzzardalive]

When the legislation is passed. It'll probably be owners who taken over from some date in the recent past and not just owner who have taken over after the thing is signed off. If you know what I mean.

[kimbo]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

I keep asking this but never get answer.

Could our new owner (or even Randy) - now invest a considerable amount without breaching FFP  as it stands ? - thought we were a good distance away from accumulating the losses that would put us in breach of it.


Really don't see FFP as an issue for the takeover, if we got Man City style owners they would pay the fines and work around it - if we get middling owners they can improve the squad without breaching FFP

[Happy to be corrected on any of the above by FFP guru's]

If we got Man City style owners and they could spend what the want without any fines provided they wait a little, I'm sure they'd do that.

Of course, the irony is that as we're not in Europe it wouldn't even be an issue in the short-term. But I'm sure Europe would be a target ASAP and depending on how the FFP rules pan out, it may pay to hold the deal off for a few weeks.

I'm hardly an 'FFP Guru' but surely "Wait a month and potentially save millions of pounds" isn't overly complicated?

But under what scenario does it cost us millions ?

A middling owner - could still invest considerably and not breach FFP ?

It only becomes an issue if we have owner who wants to go nuclear with the cash right from the off - I don't believe such an owner would hang around for FFP.

IMO the probability of FFP holding up any takeover is very small.

I would have agreed with you up until recently but the new rules coming in could easily mean people want to hold on the deal. I'm not saying it will happen but to me it could easily, absolutely be a scenario.

[LVBrit]

My initial interpretation was any new owner who's first season of ownership will be the 2015/2016 season, so basically anyone who buys the club after the completion of the 2014/2015 season. That being said, until it has been discussed and any changes made, then voted on and passed by the governing body, it would be potentially risky for any new owner to assume the changes will 100% stay in there current form.

[smetro]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

I keep asking this but never get answer.

Could our new owner (or even Randy) - now invest a considerable amount without breaching FFP  as it stands ? - thought we were a good distance away from accumulating the losses that would put us in breach of it.


Really don't see FFP as an issue for the takeover, if we got Man City style owners they would pay the fines and work around it - if we get middling owners they can improve the squad without breaching FFP

[Happy to be corrected on any of the above by FFP guru's]

If we got Man City style owners and they could spend what the want without any fines provided they wait a little, I'm sure they'd do that.

Of course, the irony is that as we're not in Europe it wouldn't even be an issue in the short-term. But I'm sure Europe would be a target ASAP and depending on how the FFP rules pan out, it may pay to hold the deal off for a few weeks.

I'm hardly an 'FFP Guru' but surely "Wait a month and potentially save millions of pounds" isn't overly complicated?

But under what scenario does it cost us millions ?

A middling owner - could still invest considerably and not breach FFP ?

It only becomes an issue if we have owner who wants to go nuclear with the cash right from the off - I don't believe such an owner would hang around for FFP.

IMO the probability of FFP holding up any takeover is very small.

I would have agreed with you up until recently but the new rules coming in could easily mean people want to hold on the deal. I'm not saying it will happen but to me it could easily, absolutely be a scenario.

But would you also agree that it would only hold up takeover if we have owners of the Man City ilk ? - I mean lets say it was Bob rich - he could takeover tomorrow and spend £40m on players without breaching FFP...?

[kimbo]

Would a new owner sit tight until UEFA have met at the end of this month to see if they are going to relax FFP for new owners? The last thing you'd want to do is miss out on being able to invest. Also isn't it clever practice to try to do transfer business before a buy out so clubs don't up the price? Just a couple of little theories on why if we are sold nothing's come out

I keep asking this but never get answer.

Could our new owner (or even Randy) - now invest a considerable amount without breaching FFP  as it stands ? - thought we were a good distance away from accumulating the losses that would put us in breach of it.


Really don't see FFP as an issue for the takeover, if we got Man City style owners they would pay the fines and work around it - if we get middling owners they can improve the squad without breaching FFP

[Happy to be corrected on any of the above by FFP guru's]

If we got Man City style owners and they could spend what the want without any fines provided they wait a little, I'm sure they'd do that.

Of course, the irony is that as we're not in Europe it wouldn't even be an issue in the short-term. But I'm sure Europe would be a target ASAP and depending on how the FFP rules pan out, it may pay to hold the deal off for a few weeks.

I'm hardly an 'FFP Guru' but surely "Wait a month and potentially save millions of pounds" isn't overly complicated?

But under what scenario does it cost us millions ?

A middling owner - could still invest considerably and not breach FFP ?

It only becomes an issue if we have owner who wants to go nuclear with the cash right from the off - I don't believe such an owner would hang around for FFP.

IMO the probability of FFP holding up any takeover is very small.

I would have agreed with you up until recently but the new rules coming in could easily mean people want to hold on the deal. I'm not saying it will happen but to me it could easily, absolutely be a scenario.

But would you also agree that it would only hold up takeover if we have owners of the Man City ilk ? - I mean lets say it was Bob rich - he could takeover tomorrow and spend £40m on players without breaching FFP...?

No. I'd agree it's one of the possible scenarios, but not the only one. Even a middling owner might want to splash some serious cash in the short term.

[DaveAV1]

I think this FFP relaxing for only new owners is a red herring. The reason UEFA are relaxing it, is due to pressure from rich clubs with expensive lawyers. So why would the likes of Man City, Chelsea, PSG etc call off the legal dogs when there's no gain for themselves?

[kimbo]

I think this FFP relaxing for only new owners is a red herring. The reason UEFA are relaxing it, is due to pressure from rich clubs with expensive lawyers. So why would the likes of Man City, Chelsea, PSG etc call off the legal dogs when there's no gain for themselves?

That's a fair point. The rumours were Platini was going to relax them due to a bias towards PSG but obviously that's not happening if the 4-year rule is true.

I suppose at the minute though it's all guesswork, all we know is that Platini said they should have more news by the end of June.

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