Re: Tom Cleverley

by Morpheus Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:00 pm

Trotters wrote:Barry, although still an excellent player, is a financial black hole. His value will only go down from here on in.

I'd like to think that, even if we snaffle a mega rich new owner, that well be smarter than that as a club. I'd much rather the arsenal approach than the Man City way.

Was Barry on a free? If so we've already signed Joe fecking Cole, Richardson and Senderos whose value isn't exactly going to improve?

by **Trotters** Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:07 pm

Well if Barry was on a free then I feel kinda stoopid.

by My Old Man Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:09 pm

Morpheus wrote:
Trotters wrote:Barry, although still an excellent player, is a financial black hole. His value will only go down from here on in.

I'd like to think that, even if we snaffle a mega rich new owner, that well be smarter than that as a club. I'd much rather the arsenal approach than the Man City way.
Was Barry on a free? If so we've already signed Joe fecking Cole, Richardson and Senderos whose value isn't exactly going to improve?

Joe Cole actually took a pay cut aswell. How desperate he must of been Laughing

by HarryAVFC Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:10 pm

West Ham have signed Song ?

by My Old Man Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:18 pm

Eastie wrote:I think cleverly would be a decent enough signing - not doubting his ability but concerned by maybe his lack of desire to come here - as someone said earlier we got bitten by Stephen Ireland .

I think by 11pm Monday things will look a lot clearer to our ambition and what the coming week or so may bring.

Hes spent all his career at one club and its a wrench to move away from people he knows and into the unknown. Thats not a lack of desire but a feeling of loyalty to the club and people who have brought him through. You, i and everyone else would feel the same, and it effects some more than others.

Does not mean he wont put in a shift.

Ireland is just a twat that give the words professional footballer and bad name. Hence why City got rid, and us being stupid enough to take him. Cleverly is completely different. 8)

by bruka Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:22 pm

I kind of get the Barry thing as he looked great for Everton last season but when people harp on about Milner and Young ... come on people !!! We have to look forward in our signings not sign players because we remember they used to play well for us. What next Dean Saunders in as striker ? Is Dalian Atkinson still around ? Maybe thats why Hendrie went on the pre-season tour ?
As far as Cleverley goes i'd be quite happy with the signing, he was pretty good on loan at Wigan. If not, Callum Mc Manaman anyone ?

by Morpheus Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:31 pm

Trotters wrote:Well if Barry was on a free then I feel kinda stoopid.

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by Guest Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:42 pm

My Old Man wrote:
Eastie wrote:I think cleverly would be a decent enough signing - not doubting his ability but concerned by maybe his lack of desire to come here - as someone said earlier we got bitten by Stephen Ireland .

I think by 11pm Monday things will look a lot clearer to our ambition and what the coming week or so may bring.

Hes spent all his career at one club and its a wrench to move away from people he knows and into the unknown. Thats not a lack of desire but a feeling of loyalty to the club and people who have brought him through. You, i and everyone else would feel the same, and it effects some more than others.

Does not mean he wont put in a shift.

Ireland is just a twat that give the words professional footballer and bad name. Hence why City got rid, and us being stupid enough to take him. Cleverly is completely different. 8)

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by HarryAVFC Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:11 pm

Apparently the deal could collapse because we can't afford his wages

Good news if true. Spend the money on someone we actually need, and who's actually worth the money

by HarryAVFC Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:19 pm

Barry is a class act. One of the best CM players in the prem

by R1chuk Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:26 pm

bruka wrote:I kind of get the Barry thing as he looked great for Everton last season but when people harp on about Milner and Young ... come on people !!! We have to look forward in our signings not sign players because we remember they used to play well for us. What next Dean Saunders in as striker ? Is Dalian Atkinson still around ? Maybe thats why Hendrie went on the pre-season tour ?
As far as Cleverley goes i'd be quite happy with the signing, he was pretty good on loan at Wigan. If not, Callum Mc Manaman anyone ?

The more I think about it, the more I think Cleverley could be a good signing. I am surprised that no one has been in for Mcmanaman.

by villashrew Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:29 pm

Probably the wrong thread for this but anyone else hope that Cole or Grealish/ N'Zogbia start to take free kicks and corners rather than bloody Westwood? When was the last time we scored from a corner as the delivery is usually shite?

by USVillan Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:10 pm

It doesn't really matter who takes corners, does it? Villa fans will find a way to moan about them...

by pooligan Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:18 pm

It does not matter who takes the corners if Baker is playing,he will head them wide or over Very Happy

by villashrew Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:23 pm

USVillan wrote:It doesn't really matter who takes corners, does it? Villa fans will find a way to moan about them...

Er yes it does matter who takes the set pieces as if they are constantly poor it needs addressing. So do you think Westwood takes a good corner then? They either don't clear the first man which is school boy stuff or float aimlessly out at the back post. This is training ground basics that we never seem to get right. There is never imagination in any of our set plays and if the delivery is poor it will never lead to a chance. We must surely work on them on the training ground so why doesn't Lambert change it?

by GadgetMan Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:27 pm

R1chuk wrote:
bruka wrote:I kind of get the Barry thing as he looked great for Everton last season but when people harp on about Milner and Young ... come on people !!! We have to look forward in our signings not sign players because we remember they used to play well for us. What next Dean Saunders in as striker ? Is Dalian Atkinson still around ? Maybe thats why Hendrie went on the pre-season tour ?
As far as Cleverley goes i'd be quite happy with the signing, he was pretty good on loan at Wigan. If not, Callum Mc Manaman anyone ?

The more I think about it, the more I think Cleverley could be a good signing. I am surprised that no one has been in for Mcmanaman.

Me too with both players. I was thinking about Mcmanaman this morning and then he pops up with a couple, was brilliant for Wigan last year. I'd be well up for him

by villashrew Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:29 pm

TheEgo wrote:
R1chuk wrote:
bruka wrote:I kind of get the Barry thing as he looked great for Everton last season but when people harp on about Milner and Young ... come on people !!! We have to look forward in our signings not sign players because we remember they used to play well for us. What next Dean Saunders in as striker ? Is Dalian Atkinson still around ? Maybe thats why Hendrie went on the pre-season tour ?
As far as Cleverley goes i'd be quite happy with the signing, he was pretty good on loan at Wigan. If not, Callum Mc Manaman anyone ?

The more I think about it, the more I think Cleverley could be a good signing. I am surprised that no one has been in for Mcmanaman.

Me too with both players. I was thinking about Mcmanaman this morning and then he pops up with a couple, was brilliant for Wigan last year. I'd be well up for him

Agreed totally and I hope Cleverly keeps Westy out of the starting 11 for a bit. Think a midfield three of Sanchez, Cleverley and Delph looks pretty solid good mix of grit and guile there so definitely warming to the idea.

by My Old Man Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:32 pm

villashrew wrote:
USVillan wrote:It doesn't really matter who takes corners, does it? Villa fans will find a way to moan about them...

Er yes it does matter who takes the set pieces as if they are constantly poor it needs addressing. So do you think Westwood takes a good corner then? They either don't clear the first man which is school boy stuff or float aimlessly out at the back post. This is training ground basics that we never seem to get right. There is never imagination in any of our set plays and if the delivery is poor it will never lead to a chance. We must surely work on them on the training ground so why doesn't Lambert change it?

With the height we have in the team now it would be stupid not to use it in the opposing area. To do that, the delivery has to be better. The three you mentioned plus Delph and Hutton can all deliver a better ball, so it does again pose questions on what Lambert actually sees Embarassed

by HarryAVFC Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:34 pm

Set plays can me a massive bonus to sides if the delivery good. Westwood hasn't put a good ball in for about 2 and a bit years now

by villashrew Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:35 pm

My Old Man wrote:
villashrew wrote:
USVillan wrote:It doesn't really matter who takes corners, does it? Villa fans will find a way to moan about them...

Er yes it does matter who takes the set pieces as if they are constantly poor it needs addressing. So do you think Westwood takes a good corner then? They either don't clear the first man which is school boy stuff or float aimlessly out at the back post. This is training ground basics that we never seem to get right. There is never imagination in any of our set plays and if the delivery is poor it will never lead to a chance. We must surely work on them on the training ground so why doesn't Lambert change it?

With the height we have in the team now it would be stupid not to use it in the opposing area. To do that, the delivery has to be better. The three you mentioned plus Delph and Hutton can all deliver a better ball, so it does again pose questions on what Lambert actually sees

Yep couldn't agree more it's mind boggling to say the least. Perhaps Cleverley could take over the duties as I am sure he would be better than westy.

by My Old Man Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:37 pm

villashrew wrote:
My Old Man wrote:
villashrew wrote:
USVillan wrote:It doesn't really matter who takes corners, does it? Villa fans will find a way to moan about them...

Er yes it does matter who takes the set pieces as if they are constantly poor it needs addressing. So do you think Westwood takes a good corner then? They either don't clear the first man which is school boy stuff or float aimlessly out at the back post. This is training ground basics that we never seem to get right. There is never imagination in any of our set plays and if the delivery is poor it will never lead to a chance. We must surely work on them on the training ground so why doesn't Lambert change it?

With the height we have in the team now it would be stupid not to use it in the opposing area. To do that, the delivery has to be better. The three you mentioned plus Delph and Hutton can all deliver a better ball, so it does again pose questions on what Lambert actually sees

Yep couldn't agree more it's mind boggling to say the least. Perhaps Cleverley could take over the duties as I am sure he would be better than westy.

My mum would be better than Westy Laughing

by villashrew Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:09 pm

This is a good read but I know it's the mirror! Kudos to unclepanda for sharing it.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-uniteds-tom-cleverley-can-4135864?

by mDigital Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:13 pm

Who was taking the corners on Wednesday night in the second-half? (genuine question)
Baker had a clear header the first time and put it over, then was stretching for the other one. I think those two were the closest we came from the corners.

by USVillan Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:30 pm

villashrew wrote:
USVillan wrote:It doesn't really matter who takes corners, does it? Villa fans will find a way to moan about them...

Er yes it does matter who takes the set pieces as if they are constantly poor it needs addressing. So do you think Westwood takes a good corner then? They either don't clear the first man which is school boy stuff or float aimlessly out at the back post. This is training ground basics that we never seem to get right. There is never imagination in any of our set plays and if the delivery is poor it will never lead to a chance. We must surely work on them on the training ground so why doesn't Lambert change it?

My point was less about the guy who is currently doing the delivery and more about the fact that fans will moan regardless of who it is.

Bannan, Tonev, Westwood, N'Zogbia, Young, Ireland...I mean, any player who's taken a corner in the past 4 years has been moaned about. It's sort of a Villa fan's God-given right, isn't it?

Quick! Gimme another negative vote!

by Morpheus Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:42 pm

USVillan wrote:
villashrew wrote:
USVillan wrote:It doesn't really matter who takes corners, does it? Villa fans will find a way to moan about them...

Er yes it does matter who takes the set pieces as if they are constantly poor it needs addressing. So do you think Westwood takes a good corner then? They either don't clear the first man which is school boy stuff or float aimlessly out at the back post. This is training ground basics that we never seem to get right. There is never imagination in any of our set plays and if the delivery is poor it will never lead to a chance. We must surely work on them on the training ground so why doesn't Lambert change it?
My point was less about the guy who is currently doing the delivery and more about the fact that fans will moan regardless of who it is.

Bannan, Tonev, Westwood, N'Zogbia, Young, Ireland...I mean, any player who's taken a corner in the past 4 years has been moaned about. It's sort of a Villa fan's God-given right, isn't it?

Quick! Gimme another negative vote!

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