Should Sherwood be Axed before the Swansea Game ?

Its quite clear now there is a massive split in the Aston Villa hierarchy. The Manager is claiming that players were brought against wishes - and many negative columns about the club are appearing in the press. This would be serious even if the club were sitting comfortably in the league. But we haven't won a league game since August, and sit bottom but one of the premier league.

The open warfare played out via the media is not good for the club - the club needs this to end as soon as possible. Should Tim Sherwood be dispensed with Immediately - so the healing and recruitment can start urgently ? - Or does he deserve one last chance against Swansea ?

Sherwood has to go now, it would be nice to be able to give him another couple of games to see if he can turn it around but unfortunately time is a luxury we don't have. The result against Swansea is almost irrelevant when you put it in the contet of who the next three games are against. I think almost everyone on this forum agrees that at the moment this is looking like the season we go down. Unfortunately this is the season where we really cannot afford to go down, with all the money being pumped into the PL over the summer even if we get relegeated and come straight back up we're going to be competing with very different teams around us and i can see the yo-yo effect that West Brom suffered from for a few seasons happening.
Also i think that there is a huge split in the club at the moment and while i don't think that Sherwood is responsible for it he could well be the scapegoat that is needed to calm things. Whatever your opinion i think most of us can agree that something needs to happen fast.

If we go down we won't be yo-yoing, we would be lucky to finish in a play off position in our first season in the championship.

Obviously go now. If he remains we will lose to Swansea but if he goes we stand a chance of at least getting a point even with a caretaker manager.

No. 

Not because I've faith in him to turn it around, but because that's how long I personally gave him

Not unless we have a manager ready to step in.

If we sack Sherwood and don't have a replacement, the blame will be put on the players and I don't think they need that. We have so many confidence players it's unreal.

Any truth that Gabby is starting to causE trouble at BMH agAin?

I actually don't think it''ll make a jot of difference if Sherwood goes or not for the next 4 or 5 games as i don't think the confidence is there or we have the quality of players to get anything other than lucky points from them.

Hope i'm wrong of course but i fear we need a top manager to be able to build a team good enough to beat the drop this season from this lot and frankly no top manager is gonna come anywhere near Randy towers..why on Earth would they?!

A few weeks ago, I'd have said to give him x number of games. That probably would have included this next one against Swansea.

However, in light of his derogatory comments about the players, it's clear they won't want to play for him so there's no point in him being here. The players would be better off managing themselves!

I really wanted it to work out for Sherwood. Not only because I genuinely like him, but because just getting a young manager to stabilize us and build his own team, his own project for several years - it would be very interesting to follow.

While it wasn't set a very big bar for Sherwood, he has failed miserably. He was given £ 50 million to spend, and all though the net spend is that of a championship club he had enough money to build his own team.  Considering we already had Clark,   Grealish, Gil and Richards was free, he could have spent £ 8 million on the seven first team players missing. I bet that's a scenario most managers would have jumped on.

The big reason why I want him sacked is because I haven't seen anything this season to indicate the players or Sherwood himself knows what they are trying to achieve. There is no clear tactics. No clear philosophy.

In my mind I thought we would play a free 433 with a lot of movement, that you see in good modern teams. Instead Sherwood has bought in the right players for this and turned us into a team that hoofs ball at a championship striker. Baffling.

If we end up performing well and winning against Swansea I'm all for giving him more time, however whatever that's going on at BMH needs to improve. Right now it doesn't seem like we have a manager or an assistant manager. In all honesty I'd sack Wilkins before Sherwood, but that's me.

Great post. Not sure on your final paragraph though...hear me out.

My first thought was to agree with you that a handsome win would maybe sway me to give him more time but then, ten minutes after the final whistle, you just know how he'll thinking of ways to change everything for the next game and drop the players that did well.

As for Wilkins, we just don't know if his work is being undermined by fuckwittery from Sherwood or if Wilkins is just shit. I don't know if he left Chelsea under a cloud or if they'd take him back in a heartbeat but I'd suggest that if he wasn't performing, then Sherwood should be doing the right thing by the club (let alone his own career) and cutting ties with him. That this hasn't happened, says to me the problems lie with the manager, not the coaches.

Otherwise, spot-on post in my opinion.

Terry Derry wrote:Any truth that Gabby is starting to causE trouble at BMH agAin?

CONFIRMED.

Joppe84 wrote:While it wasn't set a very big bar for Sherwood,  he has failed miserably. He was given £ 50 million to spend, and all though the net spend is that of a championship club he had enough money to build his own team.  Considering we already had Clark,   Grealish, Gil and Richards was free, he could have spent £ 8 million on the seven first team players missing. I bet that's a scenario most managers would have jumped on.

But if you believe the press the players we signed weren't his choices.

I'd have sacked him after the Stoke game.

EbeneezerGoode wrote:

Joppe84 wrote:While it wasn't set a very big bar for Sherwood,  he has failed miserably. He was given £ 50 million to spend, and all though the net spend is that of a championship club he had enough money to build his own team.  Considering we already had Clark,   Grealish, Gil and Richards was free, he could have spent £ 8 million on the seven first team players missing. I bet that's a scenario most managers would have jumped on.

But if you believe the press the players we signed weren't his choices.

I'd have sacked him after the Stoke game.

The same press claimed two players were Sherwood's doing. This was Gestede and Ayew. While I like Ayew I personally think Gestede was a ridiculous signing.

I don't think the signings were pushed upon him, but even if it was I don't think it's a good excuse for seven losses in nine matches.

Derek McInnes of Aberdeen and Mark Warburton of Rangers are being linked. To be fair that's a huge overstatement, as I read it on HITC. However does anyone have any extremely hypothetical thoughts on either of these gentlemen?

DaveAV1 wrote:Derek McInnes of Aberdeen and Mark Warburton of Rangers are being linked. To be fair that's a huge overstatement, as I read it on HITC. However does anyone have any extremely hypothetical thoughts on either of these gentlemen?

Warburton will stay at Rangers and get them promoted no doubt and as for Mcinnes i dont know much about him.

Wasn't McInnes at Bristol City unsuccessfully?

He kept them up but they got rid anyway. Warburton seems an interesting character. Ex City trader. He seems an intelligent man with a strategy. A complete change from our current leader.

I tend to agree though, neither of them have been in their jobs long and are both doing well, so why come to the Randy Lerner nuthouse?

Mr Aston villa causing bother surely not, how he gets contract renewals is beyond me, woeful

As has been mentioned previously, we need a Saunders type manager to sort out this mess. Starting with Mr Aston Villa who needs to shape up or ship out. Unfortunately these type of managers don't grow on trees and the ability of our recruitment department is as wanting as our club captain's leadership qualities. Not to mention his footballing ones!

Terry Derry wrote:

Terry Derry wrote:Any truth that Gabby is starting to causE trouble at BMH agAin?

CONFIRMED.

Did you just quote yourself???

Yes. Axe him before we fall into a hole we can't dig ourselves out of.

Is this going to be one of those situations where we fanny about weeks and weeks before giving a poor manager a well deserved bullet?

That happened with Lambert will it happen again with this mug?

EbeneezerGoode wrote:Is this going to be one of those situations where we fanny about weeks and weeks before giving a poor manager a well deserved bullet?

That happened with Lambert will it happen again with this mug?

Agreed he needs to be given the kick after the weekend latest for me. win or loose but i don't think he will be.

We need someone in to implement their own style and get the players playing ASAP!!!! A few more weeks/ Xmas will be too late!.