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Post by AstonThriller Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:49 am

Well, it's another week, and another tough game for the Villa. Today's injury news might be quite crucial to the outcome of this game tbh as Bruce has just confirmed that Samba, Hutton and Lansbury are out injured. This worries me because Bruce has already contrived to pick Jedinak as a centre-back and that's something I'm yet to be convinced about. It will either be him or Elphick partnering Chester tomorrow with Elmo coming in at right-back which is probably a positive thing as he's provided the two crosses from which Davis has scored from.

For Derby their dangerous winger, Tom Lawrence, is out for them so that's a big bonus for us. Other than that they don't seem to have any other injury concerns.

Of course, this is a massive game where our promotion ambitions are concerned. The injury to Samba leaves me less hopeful, but Derby do have a habit of laying an egg every few games like they did against Ipswich the other day so anything can happen. This would be my team...

................Johnstone...............

..Elmo...Elphick...Chester...Taylor...

............Whelan..Hourihane.....
..................Onomah.....
.....Snodgrass............Adomah.....
...................Davis.......................

I know folks don't like Elphick, but I just think his experience would bring much more stability to the backline than shoehorning someone in there just because you "think" he can handle it. I'd also keep the front six as it's been for our previous wins and see what they can do. Elmo coming back should give us even more going forward and can only benefit young Davis imo.
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Post by deadbuzzardalive Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:35 am

I see a lot of people talking up Derby and in doing so dismissing our chances, but they're a very similar team to us in the way that they play, and both teams are virtually identical points wise, so I don't think we should be scared, or approach the game with the mentality that a draw would be a positive result, we're getting to the stage now where we really need to beat the division's better sides, to keep the season's goals alive.

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Post by achilles Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:40 pm

deadbuzzardalive wrote:I see a lot of people talking up Derby and in doing so dismissing our chances, but they're a very similar team to us in the way that they play, and both teams are virtually identical points wise, so I don't think we should be scared, or approach the game with the mentality that a draw would be a positive result, we're getting to the stage now where we really need to beat the division's better sides, to keep the season's goals alive.


The problem is that Bruce will view it as exactly that!

Can't see anything but a bore draw, also can't see Bruce changing the front six either, so it is a toss up between Elphick and Jedinak.
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Post by FoxyAV Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:56 pm

AstonThriller wrote:Well, it's another week, and another tough game for the Villa. Today's injury news might be quite crucial to the outcome of this game tbh as Bruce has just confirmed that Samba, Hutton and Lansbury are out injured. This worries me because Bruce has already contrived to pick Jedinak as a centre-back and that's something I'm yet to be convinced about. It will either be him or Elphick partnering Chester tomorrow with Elmo coming in at right-back which is probably a positive thing as he's provided the two crosses from which Davis has scored from.

For Derby their dangerous winger, Tom Lawrence, is out for them so that's a big bonus for us. Other than that they don't seem to have any other injury concerns.

Of course, this is a massive game where our promotion ambitions are concerned. The injury to Samba leaves me less hopeful, but Derby do have a habit of laying an egg every few games like they did against Ipswich the other day so anything can happen. This would be my team...

................Johnstone...............

..Elmo...Elphick...Chester...Taylor...

............Whelan..Hourihane.....
..................Onomah.....
.....Snodgrass............Adomah.....
...................Davis.......................

I know folks don't like Elphick, but I just think his experience would bring much more stability to the backline than shoehorning someone in there just because you "think" he can handle it. I'd also keep the front six as it's been for our previous wins and see what they can do. Elmo coming back should give us even more going forward and can only benefit young Davis imo.

I quite fancy something like this:

Johnstone

Hutton - Elphick - Chester - Taylor

Hourihane - Onomah

Snodgrass - Grealish - Adomah

Davis

Stick Whelan on the bench until we need someone to look angry. Grealish is an attacking midfielder, let him go where he wants. Onomah is a defensive midfielder and will allow Hourihane more freedom.
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Post by deadbuzzardalive Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:25 pm

achilles wrote:
deadbuzzardalive wrote:I see a lot of people talking up Derby and in doing so dismissing our chances, but they're a very similar team to us in the way that they play, and both teams are virtually identical points wise, so I don't think we should be scared, or approach the game with the mentality that a draw would be a positive result, we're getting to the stage now where we really need to beat the division's better sides, to keep the season's goals alive.


The problem is that Bruce will view it as exactly that!

Can't see anything but a bore draw, also can't see Bruce changing the front six either, so it is a toss up between Elphick and Jedinak.

Bruce blamed himself after the Millwall game for changing a winning side and said that Hourihane would be back in this week for Lansbury, so unless he's had a change of heart in the meantime, it's definitely going to be the midfield five with Davis upfront that we've become used to in recent times.
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Post by achilles Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:29 pm

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deadbuzzardalive wrote:I see a lot of people talking up Derby and in doing so dismissing our chances, but they're a very similar team to us in the way that they play, and both teams are virtually identical points wise, so I don't think we should be scared, or approach the game with the mentality that a draw would be a positive result, we're getting to the stage now where we really need to beat the division's better sides, to keep the season's goals alive.


The problem is that Bruce will view it as exactly that!

Can't see anything but a bore draw, also can't see Bruce changing the front six either, so it is a toss up between Elphick and Jedinak.

Bruce blamed himself after the Millwall game for changing a winning side and said that Hourihane would be back in this week for Lansbury, so unless he's had a change of heart in the meantime, it's definitely going to be the midfield five with Davis upfront that we've become used to in recent times.

Sorry I wasn't very clear as I was agreeing with @AstonThriller team selection as Landsbury is injured anyway.
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Post by De Kuip Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:25 pm

FoxyAV wrote:
AstonThriller wrote:Well, it's another week, and another tough game for the Villa. Today's injury news might be quite crucial to the outcome of this game tbh as Bruce has just confirmed that Samba, Hutton and Lansbury are out injured. This worries me because Bruce has already contrived to pick Jedinak as a centre-back and that's something I'm yet to be convinced about. It will either be him or Elphick partnering Chester tomorrow with Elmo coming in at right-back which is probably a positive thing as he's provided the two crosses from which Davis has scored from.

For Derby their dangerous winger, Tom Lawrence, is out for them so that's a big bonus for us. Other than that they don't seem to have any other injury concerns.

Of course, this is a massive game where our promotion ambitions are concerned. The injury to Samba leaves me less hopeful, but Derby do have a habit of laying an egg every few games like they did against Ipswich the other day so anything can happen. This would be my team...

................Johnstone...............

..Elmo...Elphick...Chester...Taylor...

............Whelan..Hourihane.....
..................Onomah.....
.....Snodgrass............Adomah.....
...................Davis.......................

I know folks don't like Elphick, but I just think his experience would bring much more stability to the backline than shoehorning someone in there just because you "think" he can handle it. I'd also keep the front six as it's been for our previous wins and see what they can do. Elmo coming back should give us even more going forward and can only benefit young Davis imo.

I quite fancy something like this:

                 Johnstone

Hutton - Elphick - Chester - Taylor

        Hourihane - Onomah

  Snodgrass - Grealish - Adomah

                      Davis
   
Stick Whelan on the bench until we need someone to look angry. Grealish is an attacking midfielder, let him go where he wants. Onomah is a defensive midfielder and will allow Hourihane more freedom.

Yeah I'd love to see that team start and if Grealish gets tired I'd like to see O'Hare replace him. Having said that, I'd like a Jag for Xmas and that ain't gonna happen either.....
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Post by De Kuip Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:28 pm

Just seen that Hutton is doubtful so maybe it will be Elmo at RB.
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Post by achilles Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:34 pm

Realised that a lot of Villa fans would be pleased with a point, amazing how low we have sunk when we are happy with a point at Derby (myself included). If those are the aspirations what chance have we got if/when we get into the PL?
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Post by deadbuzzardalive Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:03 pm

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Presumably Adomah's going to play as the striker, interesting line-up really, we can't really play long-ball with that team.
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Post by achilles Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:16 pm

To be fair Adomah plays that role quite well, but we won't win anything in the air so hopefully we may play a little bit more football?

Good to see Grealish back, just prove you are worth a starting place!
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Post by Villa_Dan Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:22 pm

1st thought was that it's a poor line up

But on reflection that looks like a team that can play football - Hourihan, Onomah, Grealish and Snoddy all like the ball at their feet and Bertie has the pace to get in behind.

Shame about Hutton as Elmo is only good for crosses and we have no one to put their head on them today.
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Post by AstonThriller Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:26 pm

I feared Bruce would do this today which Is why I haven't been confident about getting a result at all. The Jedinak experiment, when we desperately need the points, just stinks of naivety to me. This was a man who said last season that he "felt sorry for Elphick" because of how professional he is and how hard he trains. And the moment he has a chance to pick a guy who has been in a defense that has got promoted, he picks a defensive midfielder instead.

Then he plays Elmo but rests the guy who has benefitted from his crosses the most (Davis), and just leaves us with no aerial threat whatsoever. SMH I just sick of this sh/t man. Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong, but I'd be surprised to see us keep a clean sheet or score more than one today tbh.
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Post by FoxyAV Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:35 pm

Any live commentary anywhere please?
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Post by Guest Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:39 pm

Onomah going to be shit again. He needs to replace Whelan with Onomah or drop him. And play a proper fucking striker ffs.

Bruce is so shit. Useless fucking twat
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Post by deadbuzzardalive Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:50 pm

Playing without a striker is okay if you're a brilliant footballing side, that create chance after chance, but not sure we can make it work, to have any chance today, we're going to at least have to attempt to play football, and our movement is going to have to be excellent.

Such an important game, win and it should do wonder for our confidence, and we can use it as a springboard for the rest of the season, it would also stop Derby in their tracks. Lose and things will look pretty bleak.
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Post by Guest Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:08 pm

Similar shite hoofball I've seen all season.

Can't we ffs sack this fat fucking clown
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Post by AstonThriller Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:13 pm

Word is the defense looks terrible and Derby could be two up already. Oh and Onomah is playing upfront apparently!!!, not Adomah LOL you couldn't make it up Very Happy .
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Post by deadbuzzardalive Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:24 pm

Why on earth would Bruce play Onomah up front? He's basically admitting that he doesn't know what to with us unless we've got a big strong player playing up top, and what must it do for Hogan's confidence.
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Post by Guest Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:27 pm

That was kinda funny. Total brain fart. Whelan being shit again.

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Post by Villa_Dan Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:31 pm

Whelan is a fucking moron
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Post by deadbuzzardalive Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:36 pm

Surprise surprise, once again we're showing that under Bruce's instruction, we can't beat a decent team, it's really quite simple if we're have any chance of promotion he has to be replaced, it's incompetence of a staggering magnitude that it hasn't happened already.

Game over, and season over unless the club wakes up.
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Post by Guest Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:43 pm

Just amazed over how bad our football is. We can't pass and move offensively. Everything we manage to do is HOOOOOOOF.

Fucking pathetic football. How Bruce isn't sacked is absolutely nuts.
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Post by Guest Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:47 pm

Honestly feels like Whelan passes backwards 100% of the time.
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Post by Guest Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:50 pm

That's it for me. No chance I'm wasting another 45 minutes today on Bruce's "football". What a pile of fucking dog shit.

Only positive here is Grealish who looks pretty good, but jesus christ our football is so fucking bad.
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