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Post by VTID85 Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:02 pm

Wookster wrote:Apparently a steward been pulled for booting Jack when he went into the Villa end to celebrate his goal

Yes saw it clearly, two pigs strong-arming a steward away, don't know if he booted him but definitely used unreasonable force to try and get him back over the barrier.
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Post by Saunders82 Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:51 pm

Wookster wrote:Apparently a steward been pulled for booting Jack when he went into the Villa end to celebrate his goal

Looks like he sized him up and stamped on his legs or ankles, still not right though, both actions were bang out of order but we stood up to it and Karma is a bitch as they say. UTV Match thread Blues v Villa Sunday 10.03.2019 - Page 2 1520050566 Match thread Blues v Villa Sunday 10.03.2019 - Page 2 1520050566 Match thread Blues v Villa Sunday 10.03.2019 - Page 2 1520050566 Match thread Blues v Villa Sunday 10.03.2019 - Page 2 1520050566 Match thread Blues v Villa Sunday 10.03.2019 - Page 2 1520050566 Match thread Blues v Villa Sunday 10.03.2019 - Page 2 1520050566
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Post by WendyOz Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:11 pm

I'd like to see them stripped of all their points, get relegated, scissors taken to Maghoma's hair and play without spectators for the whole of next season. Scum of the earth the lot of them.
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Post by VTID85 Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:02 pm

WendyOz wrote:I'd like to see them stripped of all their points, get relegated, scissors taken to Maghoma's hair and play without spectators for the whole of next season. Scum of the earth the lot of them.

I'm sorry, maybe it's just me but I'm struggling to grasp how you really feel on this one...... Laughing
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Post by WendyOz Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:52 am

Yeah well - I don't say a lot 'cos I usually get shot down in flames (is it sexist?) but I was incandescent with rage from the first cowardly shot on Jack.
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Post by big ming Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:24 am

Special mention to Agent Gardener who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.
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Post by deadbuzz Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:28 am

I'm seeing their fans suggest that they shouldn't be deducted points for the Grealish incident because other players at other club's have also ran onto the pitch to confront players, as if it happening before makes it alright, if anything that goes to show the authorities need punish them as harshly as possible, to stop it from becoming a trend

Also they're suggesting that it's only one person, and the whole club shouldn't be punished, but enough of them cheered when it happened, and cheered when he was escorted off the pitch, their stewards should have stopped the attacker, and I was reminded this morning that just before the game at Villa Park, there was a video going around of Kristian Pedersen saying he was going to f*** up Jack Grealish... Which is exactly the kind of thing that can incite incidents like yesterday, and help create a culture where it's deemed acceptable amongst their fans.

Not only that, but there's also a video of one of their fans racially abusing one of our players at yesterday's game, and their fans also mocking Grealish's dead brother on twitter.

Of course, they probably won't be deducted points, but something needs to be done, both as a punishment to them, and as a deterrent to stop anyone else thinking of doing it again.
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Post by big ming Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:20 am

deadbuzz wrote:I'm seeing their fans suggest that they shouldn't be deducted points for the Grealish incident because other players at other club's have also ran onto the pitch to confront players, as if it happening before makes it alright, if anything that goes to show the authorities need punish them as harshly as possible, to stop it from becoming a trend

Also they're suggesting that it's only one person, and the whole club shouldn't be punished, but enough of them cheered when it happened, and cheered when he was escorted off the pitch, their stewards should have stopped the attacker, and I was reminded this morning that just before the game at Villa Park, there was a video going around of Kristian Pedersen saying he was going to f*** up Jack Grealish... Which is exactly the kind of thing that can incite incidents like yesterday, and help create a culture where it's deemed acceptable amongst their fans.

Not only that, but there's also a video of one of their fans racially abusing one of our players at yesterday's game, and their fans also mocking Grealish's dead brother on twitter.

Of course, they probably won't be deducted points, but something needs to be done, both as a punishment to them, and as a deterrent to stop anyone else thinking of doing it again.
One other thing caught my eye during a lull in play. Right by the dug outs, there was a family of nose supporters, Mum,Dad with boy and girl (about 10years old a pink coat pink). She was giving a couple of our lads the wanker sign and shouting some pretty choice stuff while the rest of the family looked on approvingly. Ten years old FFS. What is she going to grow up like? Disgusting way to bring a kid up.
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Post by Dazzle Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:20 am

deadbuzz wrote:I'm seeing their fans suggest that they shouldn't be deducted points for the Grealish incident because other players at other club's have also ran onto the pitch to confront players, as if it happening before makes it alright, if anything that goes to show the authorities need punish them as harshly as possible, to stop it from becoming a trend

Also they're suggesting that it's only one person, and the whole club shouldn't be punished, but enough of them cheered when it happened, and cheered when he was escorted off the pitch, their stewards should have stopped the attacker, and I was reminded this morning that just before the game at Villa Park, there was a video going around of Kristian Pedersen saying he was going to f*** up Jack Grealish... Which is exactly the kind of thing that can incite incidents like yesterday, and help create a culture where it's deemed acceptable amongst their fans.

Not only that, but there's also a video of one of their fans racially abusing one of our players at yesterday's game, and their fans also mocking Grealish's dead brother on twitter.

Of course, they probably won't be deducted points, but something needs to be done, both as a punishment to them, and as a deterrent to stop anyone else thinking of doing it again.

I’ve said it elsewhere and I’ll say it here; BCFC have to be reprimanded as a club. They are responsible for what happened yesterday. They are responsible, as a team, for singling out Jack Grealish on the football pitch for acts of violence. Kieftenbelds opening challenges in both games this season can’t even be described as a challenge/tackle, they were outright assaults with no intention of getting to the ball. Gary Monk can deny it 24/7, but it’s clear to anyone with the remotest of football brains that Grealish was targeted for attacks. We can all accept players being marked closely, shirts pulled, little nibbles/trips etc, but both of kieftenbelds challenges were nasty, with the only plausible intention to hurt/damage. That fires up supporters that need no further petrol poured on the fire. And to that extent the officials also have to take some responsibility for allowing players to get away with tackles that clearly are premeditated assaults. Where else could you watch both kieftenbeld tackles that don’t result in a red card? And yet over both games Kieftenbeld has one yellow card. It’s a joke. So BCFC are responsible for tactics that are intended to break rules and incite violence towards an individual. And I haven’t even mentioned the steward yet who had a pop at Grealish and Hourihane. If they as a club escape serious punishment then it sends out a shockingly bad message.
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Post by FoxyAV Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:42 pm

big ming wrote:
deadbuzz wrote:I'm seeing their fans suggest that they shouldn't be deducted points for the Grealish incident because other players at other club's have also ran onto the pitch to confront players, as if it happening before makes it alright, if anything that goes to show the authorities need punish them as harshly as possible, to stop it from becoming a trend

Also they're suggesting that it's only one person, and the whole club shouldn't be punished, but enough of them cheered when it happened, and cheered when he was escorted off the pitch, their stewards should have stopped the attacker, and I was reminded this morning that just before the game at Villa Park, there was a video going around of Kristian Pedersen saying he was going to f*** up Jack Grealish... Which is exactly the kind of thing that can incite incidents like yesterday, and help create a culture where it's deemed acceptable amongst their fans.

Not only that, but there's also a video of one of their fans racially abusing one of our players at yesterday's game, and their fans also mocking Grealish's dead brother on twitter.

Of course, they probably won't be deducted points, but something needs to be done, both as a punishment to them, and as a deterrent to stop anyone else thinking of doing it again.
One other thing caught my eye during a lull in play. Right by the dug outs, there was a family of nose supporters, Mum,Dad with boy and girl (about 10years old a pink coat pink). She was giving a couple of our lads the wanker sign and shouting some pretty choice stuff while the rest of the family looked on approvingly. Ten years old FFS. What is she going to grow up like? Disgusting way to bring a kid up.

I saw that too and completely agree with you.
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Post by deadbuzz Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:53 pm

The guy who made the assault, has been sentenced to fourteen weeks in prison, and ordered to pay Grealish £100 in compensation. That's not really enough of a detterent to stop others from doing the same in the future, neither is banning them from the ground, the thing that would hit them the most, is punishing the club they support, in the harshest way possible, deduct small heath 30 points, and I bet no one runs on the pitch to attack a player again.
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Post by FoxyAV Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:27 pm

deadbuzz wrote:The guy who made the assault, has been sentenced to fourteen weeks in prison, and ordered to pay Grealish £100 in compensation. That's not really enough of a detterent to stop others from doing the same in the future, neither is banning them from the ground, the thing that would hit them the most, is punishing the club they support, in the harshest way possible, deduct small heath 30 points, and I bet no one runs on the pitch to attack a player again.

Give it time, the FA will be punishing the club.

The dickhead has a kid, what a father and role model he is.
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Post by VillaBill Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:36 pm

I don’t think you deduct the club points, make them play a couple of games behind closed doors, the season ticket holders will then be missing out on money they’ve already spent, this should help the crowd “police” themselves as the stewards all clubs lack the skills to confront idiots like this bloke.
We have had two recent pitch invasions ourselves recently after the Albion quarter in 2015 & Boro in the playoffs last season, would you want instances like this cost our club a place at Wembley?
Going onto the pitch is a no go for any fan at any time, do these guys not remember when all football fans were treated as scum , herded into the turnstiles & then fenced into pens?
No fan wants a return to those days I hope?
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Post by deadbuzz Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:47 pm

To be fair there's a big difference between fans entering the field of play after a game to celebrate, and a fan physically attacking a player during play, there's even a difference between what happened to Grealish, and a fan going on the pitch and approaching a player, as happened to Chris Smalling yesterday. When it comes to punishment a distinction needs to be made between each one, as would happen in real life, I mean if you punch someone on the street, you're going to be punished much more severely than you would be, if you approached someone exhibiting threatening behaviour.
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Post by Wookster Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:31 pm

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Apparently as Jack climbs into the crowd Tommy Elphick and big Alex the kit man are going mental in the Villa end
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Post by VTID85 Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:35 pm

deadbuzz wrote:To be fair there's a big difference between fans entering the field of play after a game to celebrate, and a fan physically attacking a player during play, there's even a difference between what happened to Grealish, and a fan going on the pitch and approaching a player, as happened to Chris Smalling yesterday. When it comes to punishment a distinction needs to be made between each one, as would happen in real life, I mean if you punch someone on the street, you're going to be punished much more severely than you would be, if you approached someone exhibiting threatening behaviour.

I see where you're coming from, but part of me thinks the Tavernier and Smalling incidents....whilst less egregious.... should be punished as fully as the Grealish one. It sends a clear message of zero tolerance - this isn't on the streets, it's in what is supposed to be a safe and controlled environment. Remove the grey areas and sliding scale of "how bad" and give a big FUCKOFF statement.

Problem is, I doubt the FA would want to punish Arsenal with the same level of points deduction that we would happily see dished out to SHA.

As a side note, yet again certain fans of the Villa have not covered themselves in glory by smuggling in a smoke canister and throwing it on the pitch.
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Post by WendyOz Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:28 am

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Post by DelboyVilla Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:08 am

FoxyAV wrote:
big ming wrote:
deadbuzz wrote:I'm seeing their fans suggest that they shouldn't be deducted points for the Grealish incident because other players at other club's have also ran onto the pitch to confront players, as if it happening before makes it alright, if anything that goes to show the authorities need punish them as harshly as possible, to stop it from becoming a trend

Also they're suggesting that it's only one person, and the whole club shouldn't be punished, but enough of them cheered when it happened, and cheered when he was escorted off the pitch, their stewards should have stopped the attacker, and I was reminded this morning that just before the game at Villa Park, there was a video going around of Kristian Pedersen saying he was going to f*** up Jack Grealish... Which is exactly the kind of thing that can incite incidents like yesterday, and help create a culture where it's deemed acceptable amongst their fans.

Not only that, but there's also a video of one of their fans racially abusing one of our players at yesterday's game, and their fans also mocking Grealish's dead brother on twitter.

Of course, they probably won't be deducted points, but something needs to be done, both as a punishment to them, and as a deterrent to stop anyone else thinking of doing it again.
One other thing caught my eye during a lull in play. Right by the dug outs, there was a family of nose supporters, Mum,Dad with boy and girl (about 10years old a pink coat pink). She was giving a couple of our lads the wanker sign and shouting some pretty choice stuff while the rest of the family looked on approvingly. Ten years old FFS. What is she going to grow up like? Disgusting way to bring a kid up.

I saw that too and completely agree with you.

That is the least of her worries as Daddy's little girl probably gets a fatherly visit each night just after she has gone to bed so he can 'tuck her in'?

I think a points deduction is the minimum as they are responsible for the players safety at their ground!

I hope that scumbag is waking up this morning sobbing as he became his cellmate's sex slave last night!
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Post by FoxyAV Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:39 pm

On another completely unrelated forum someone commented on the 14-week sentence:

"...it will seem a very long and horrible time living with the scum of the earth who are convicts".

He'll feel right at home then!
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Post by Villa Ranger Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:17 pm

Hello all. I obviously don't post much on here anymore but wanted to share this with you. It's an email that I've sent to the EFL regarding the Grealish incident on Sunday. I've copied in our EFL Supporter Liaison Officer. I'm appalled at the leniency shown by the Courts with this fucker and I want to make it clear to the EFL that this doesn't leave the door open for them to do the same. Otherwise, the game we all love is basically fucked. Sorry if some of my comments appear to be the similar to your own in this thread. I promise I have only just read them, although you are clearly of the same opinion as me.

Anyway here goes:

Dear Sirs,

I am contacting you to register my outright disgust and abhorrence at the above incident, as well my fears for the future of the Game which I have followed for the past 44 years.

I believe it to be unprecedented, at least in an EFL or FA Premier League match, for a player to be punched to the ground by a spectator. I understand that the spectator in question has received a custodial sentence but I was shocked to discover that it was a mere 14 weeks. The only other incidence of such an assault that I can recall was when a spectator a made a gesture and 'lightly slapped' goalkeeper, Peter Enkleman (again, in a Birmingham derby in 2002) and received a 4-month sentence. I fail to understand how the Courts have given a shorter sentence in this instance.

In light of this, I believe that the EFL should not be so lenient in their dealing with this case and should be looking to set a precedent that will act as a deterrent to the clubs of any future spectators, who might seek to influence the result of a football match by encroaching onto the field of play, with a view to assaulting a player.

TV replays show that the force of the punch suffered by Mr Grealish could easily have resulted in a broken jaw or concussion, caused by a blow to the temple. In fact, I am amazed that the player did not sustain a more serious injury.

I have seen comments on social media stating that Birmingham City Football Club should not be punished for the actions of 'one fan'. In response to this, I would urge anyone to review the TV footage. The sight of a player being punched to the ground is cheered by Birmingham City supporters, almost as if their team has scored a goal, all of this notwithstanding the duty of care that a football club has, to ensure that spectators are not allowed to encroach onto the field of play.

I believe all right-minded football fans should expect a severe punishment for a club that appears to foster a culture where an assault on a player by a spectator is 'cheered from the rafters' and where a club official, in this case a 'steward' appears to physically assault the same player and is seen being dragged away by police officers.

I believe that a financial penalty for the club will not serve as a future deterrent for like-minded spectators. It simply has no effect on them. Only a points deduction will serve that purpose and might well generate the required 'self-policing', either by the club or by the fans themselves, that is required to prevent a repeat of an incident which has been extremely damaging to the reputation of the game.

I have CC'd Mr Lee Preece, the EFL Supporter Liaison Officer for Aston Villa Football Club.
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Post by FoxyAV Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:58 am

Good letter that.

Are you going to hang around here?
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Post by Dazzle Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:34 am

Villa Ranger wrote:Hello all. I obviously don't post much on here anymore but wanted to share this with you. It's an email that I've sent to the EFL regarding the Grealish incident on Sunday. I've copied in our EFL Supporter Liaison Officer. I'm appalled at the leniency shown by the Courts with this fucker and I want to make it clear to the EFL that this doesn't leave the door open for them to do the same. Otherwise, the game we all love is basically fucked. Sorry if some of my comments appear to be the similar to your own in this thread. I promise I have only just read them, although you are clearly of the same opinion as me.

Anyway here goes:

Dear Sirs,

I am contacting you to register my outright disgust and abhorrence at the above incident, as well my fears for the future of the Game which I have followed for the past 44 years.

I believe it to be unprecedented, at least in an EFL or FA Premier League match, for a player to be punched to the ground by a spectator. I understand that the spectator in question has received a custodial sentence but I was shocked to discover that it was a mere 14 weeks. The only other incidence of such an assault that I can recall was when a spectator a made a gesture and 'lightly slapped' goalkeeper, Peter Enkleman (again, in a Birmingham derby in 2002) and received a 4-month sentence. I fail to understand how the Courts have given a shorter sentence in this instance.

In light of this, I believe that the EFL should not be so lenient in their dealing with this case and should be looking to set a precedent that will act as a deterrent to the clubs of any future spectators, who might seek to influence the result of a football match by encroaching onto the field of play, with a view to assaulting a player.

TV replays show that the force of the punch suffered by Mr Grealish could easily have resulted in a broken jaw or concussion, caused by a blow to the temple. In fact, I am amazed that the player did not sustain a more serious injury.

I have seen comments on social media stating that Birmingham City Football Club should not be punished for the actions of 'one fan'. In response to this, I would urge anyone to review the TV footage. The sight of a player being punched to the ground is cheered by Birmingham City supporters, almost as if their team has scored a goal, all of this notwithstanding the duty of care that a football club has, to ensure that spectators are not allowed to encroach onto the field of play.

I believe all right-minded football fans should expect a severe punishment for a club that appears to foster a culture where an assault on a player by a spectator is 'cheered from the rafters' and where a club official, in this case a 'steward' appears to physically assault the same player and is seen being dragged away by police officers.

I believe that a financial penalty for the club will not serve as a future deterrent for like-minded spectators. It simply has no effect on them. Only a points deduction will serve that purpose and might well generate the required 'self-policing', either by the club or by the fans themselves, that is required to prevent a repeat of an incident which has been extremely damaging to the reputation of the game.

I have CC'd Mr Lee Preece, the EFL Supporter Liaison Officer for Aston Villa Football Club.

Well done. We should all do the same. I’ve a feeling that the EFL are hoping this just drifts away
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Post by deadbuzz Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:33 am

The FA have charged both small heath and us for the Sunday's game. Apparently we failed to control our players in the fifth minute after Kieftenbeld's foul on Greaish. It looked to me the kind of thing you see quite often in football games, but I don't see other clubs getting charged for such incidents, feels almost ike the FA are using this to cover up having to do anything about the Grealish incident.
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Post by Dazzle Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:57 am

deadbuzz wrote:The FA have charged both small heath and us for the Sunday's game. Apparently we failed to control our players in the fifth minute after Kieftenbeld's foul on Greaish. It looked to me the kind of thing you see quite often in football games, but I don't see other clubs getting charged for such incidents, feels almost ike the FA are using this to cover up having to do anything about the Grealish incident.

This is the FAs 1st step to avoid having to deal properly with BCFC.
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