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Re: Financial "Fair" play?

Post by jeffvilla on Wed May 30, 2018 3:07 pm

@The Utterer wrote:Ok here's my view,

FFP is basically there to help small clubs compete and supposedly protect bigger clubs from going under if a wealthy owner "does one" and leaves them in the turd.

What it does not take into account is the ruination of football as you end up with smaller clubs moving upwards but without the fan support structure to justify it.

In other words you will eventually end up with the top leagues being full of half empty stadiums and dozens of dour fixtures which most fans wouldn't want to see or spend their hard earned cash going to watch want.

For example

Man Utd v Villa/Leeds/Forest etc
or
Man Utd v Fulham/Brighton/Huddersfield/Watford/Burnley/Bournemouth Etc etc?

I know which would be the more appealing fixtures to me and i'm sure most neutrals.

That may be harsh on those clubs but that's basically now what is happening to the game because largely of FFP.

It's ruining the game as a spectacle in my opinion and is making a mockery of fan bases, History, stadiums etc.

But it's ok... at least no one will go bust by overspending. Lets just hope the game doesn't disintegrate through lack of interest of huge fan bases up & down the country.

For goodness sake can someone please challenge it as it is wrecking the game in my eyes.

Bang on, the rich clubs ignore it and just pay the fine because they can. And I totally agree it is ruining the gam.
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Post by deadbuzzardalive on Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:04 am

I'm starting to think we should just ignore FFP and take whatever fine comes our way, I mean look where we've ended up by following the rules, and it could get worse, even if we were hit with a points deduction or demotion, overall we wouldn't actually be in a worse position... Besides I bet no team will ever be hit with a demotion or a points deduction, no matter what they do, as it would cause too much of a legal battle and could in of itself ultimately end in the demise FFP.

I don't understand why an owner can't put in what he wants as long as he's good for it, by all means have some sort of test to prove they're not going to leave a club in financial ruin, but once that's passed there shouldn't be a problem.

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Post by Fpuppys on Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:17 pm

I agree with the above post from DB, if we have the capital that Xia claims to have then pay the fine, but why throw good money after bad, after all there's no guarantee that A: new players will settle in quickly. B:The U23 can cope with Championship football and above all C: Have we the right management installed to carry us over the line?

IMO; No! to all of the above.

Only came on hear to post and urge all to read this about FFP crap, it's from the Mail online, so as usual take with a pinch of salt.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5792685/Powered-spite-vultures-tearing-Aston-Villas-carcass.html
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Post by The Utterer on Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:05 pm

Thats a good article in the Mail i have to say...problem is nobody is listening as the smaller clubs will always but always support FFP as it's their biggest hope of competing and so whatever happens we will forever be outvoted when it comes to it.

The only way is if it was legally fought but even then a few "back handers" would likely scupper any chance of getting it stopped.

Villa are in the unfortunate position of being the biggest club in the Championship and so it affects us more than any other surely? I'm sure a fe others with wealthy owners would prefer it wasn't there but we have suffered from the old adage "The bigger they are the harder they fall" and it is destroying this club now.
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Re: Financial "Fair" play?

Post by VTID85 on Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:02 am

@VTID85 wrote:I honestly haven't known another club talk so much about FFP as we do, both as fans and as staff.

Interestingly since posting this I've heard a bit more from Derby County about FFP and being in a remarkably familiar sounding position to us.
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Post by Dazzle on Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:41 pm

Regarding Simon Jordans comments, the bit I am drawn to is when he states that a club can carry losses as long as the owner underwrites them. Marry that to what Xia has said in his statement and you can see why Jordan has mentioned the possibility of new owners, as it seems clear from Xias statement that he’s not putting in the money. That’s either because he hasn’t got the money, or he wishes to shoot himself in the foot
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Post by The Utterer on Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:39 am

Something is not right with it all. Simon Jordan clearly has heard something and coupled with Xia's statement and the silence otherwise it appears something is up,

As for FFP well i'm now really confused. If we can have underwritten losses what on Earth is going on and how exacty does FFp work?
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Post by Synopsis on Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:26 am

My understanding of the FFP is if the losses are :

Less than £5m and no underwriting = no punishment
more than £5m and not underwritten = punished.
between £5m and £13m and underwritten = no punishment
over £13m regardless of underwriting = punishment

The punishments have been changed this season and are to be decided on by an independent panel and can consist of any combination of: Transfer embargo, Fine, Point Deduction, direct relegation from the division and the punishment is decided on at the panels discretion depending on how severe the breach of the rules
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Post by bruka on Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:38 am

t the moment with the barrage of negativity in the press people are lumping our operating cost problems and FFP problems in the same pot- they're not. The FFP problems would be there even if Xia was the richest owner in England. The only possible way round it would be for Recon to sponsor the ground for a certain amount per season Man City style. Unfortunately the only other way out is to do things by the book by selling players and reducing the wage bill.
Despite my view that Bruce is the living embodiment of bad football he could be exactly what we need to get out of FFP trouble. Not just by bringing loan players in but also maybe convincing some of his buddies to loan some of our players and pick up their wages for the season. He may even be able to get people to put bids on our players to drive up the price. The important thing to remember is we have until the end of the 18/19 season to balance things out so any suggestion that we must sell our best players for peanuts is nonsense. Going to be a rough couple of seasons no doubt but if we are run the right way we can bounce back from this.

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Post by andrew24561 on Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:48 pm

so Gollini has departed , the fire sale has started, though I don't think this is a major shock or loss....................... now if we could only get rid of Richards and MaCormack.
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Re: Financial "Fair" play?

Post by Synopsis on Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:17 pm

Gollini's potential sale and fee was pre arranged when he went on loan at the start of the season, the fire sale must have been psychic ...
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Post by FoxyAV on Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:12 pm

Gollini was dead to us and us to him when his Italian goalkeeping coach went along with RDM. Shame really, he looked good. Still, I think Steer is a good goalie so hopefully we won't mess around trying to replace Johnstone and he'll get his chance. From memory Lambert thought him good enough to bring along from Norwich, which might count for a little.

Also from memory he did half the pre-season at Wycombe in 2013 and was consistently accurate with long balls while Guzan did the other half and was consistently useless. This too might count for little. I think that was Tony Moon's debut and Jack looked really good on left wing. A lot's changed in five years, hasn't it!
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Re: Financial "Fair" play?

Post by deadbuzzardalive on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:30 am

If this guy is to believed, and I'm not sure why he'd make it up as a Leeds fan, and I'm reading it right, the rules have now been changed so we now have two years to break even and meet the FFP requirement.

https://twitter.com/Mike_J_Thornton/status/1007028973702873088


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