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Summer transfer window 2017/18

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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by deadbuzzardalive on Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:01 pm

Commentary mentioned that an second unnamed Championship club are in for Bacuna, and that's why he wasn't in the squad tonight, and apparently Bruce has confirmed that it could be happening, he's also said no money to buy Snodgrass or Rhodes.

Edit: seems like Xia has denied that we were ever interested in Snodgrass and Rhodes.


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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by FoxyAV on Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:28 pm

@deadbuzzardalive wrote:Commentary mentioned that an second unnamed Championship club are in for Bacuna, and that's why he wasn't in the squad tonight, and apparently Bruce has confirmed that it could be happening, he's also said no money to buy Snodgrass or Rhodes.
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I heard that too and thought it was the best news I'd heard since Richards left. Oh, no, wait...

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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by Villa Ranger on Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:56 pm

@ember wrote:Has anyone seen any recent Twitter activity from that avfctransfers1 guy?
I can't see anything myself at the moment, so have been wondering if he has gone dark as I haven't seen anyone else mention anything as having come from him.

He tweeted on Friday (4th Aug) to say he was on holiday until Monday just gone.

Hasn't tweeted anything since.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by AstonThriller on Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:11 am

Genuinely excited that Bacuna could finally be heading out the door at last Very Happy . So if the Amavi and Bacuna deals go through how much would we have brought in?

Sanchez= 2.5m
Veretout= 6.3m
Baker= 4m
Cissokho= 1.3m
Amavi= 2m loan fee
Bacuna= 2m????

Total= 18.1m

Obviously, the Bacuna numbers are a guess at this stage but IF this proves to be accurate then surely we should have enough to get in a left winger and left-back cover? This should especially be true if Mccormack also heads out the door aswell.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by The Utterer on Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:11 am

I thought this may help regards Transfers and values this window  Very Happy (Details taken from pretty reliable websites)




KEEPERS
Johnson - Age 24 -ON LOAN = would cost approx 900k to buy - Contract at Man U till May 31st 2018
Steer - Age 24 - Value 450k - Contract till 31st June 2019
Bunn - Age 32 - Value 450k - Contract till 30th June 2018

DEFENDERS
De Leat - Age 28 - Value 1.8m - Contract till 30th June 2019
Bree - Age 19 - 1.35m - Contract till 30th June 2021
Hutton - Age 32 - Value 1.35m - Contract till 30th June 2018
Taylor - Age 28 - Value 5.4m - Contract till 30th June 2021
Richards - Age 29 - Value 3.1m - Contract till 30th June 2019
Samba - Age  33 - Value 900k - Contract till 30th June 2018
Chester - Age 28 - Value 6.3m - Contract till 30th June 2020
Terry - Age 36 - Value 900k - Contract till 30th June 2018Only
Elphick - Age 29 - Value 2.7m - Contract till 30th June 2019

MIDFIELDERS
Hourihane - Age 26 - Value 1.8m - Contract till 30th June 2020
Thor - Age 29 - Value 2.7m - Contract till 30th June 2020
Jedinak - Age 33 - Value 4.05m - Contract till 30th June 2019
Elmohamady - Age 29 - Value 3.6m - Contract till June 2020
Whelan - Age 33 - Value 2.25m - Contract till 30th June 2019
Onomah - Age 20 - On Loan = Market Value 2.25m - Loan till 31st May 2018
Grealish - Age 21 - Value 4.5m - Contract till June 2020
Lyden - Age 21 - Value 450k - Contract till June 2019
Gardner - Age 25 - Value 1.8m - Contract till June 2020
Lansbury - Age 26 - Value 2.7m - Contract till June 2021
Callum O'Hare - Age 19 - Value ???? - Contract ????

STRIKERS
Kodija - Age 27 - Value 9m - Contract till June 2020
McCormack - Age 30 - Value 8.1m - Contract till June 2020
Hogan - Age 25 - Value 6.3m - Contract till June 2021
Adomah - Age 29 - Value 2.25m - Contract till June 2020
Agbonlahor - Age 30 - Value 900k - Contract till June 2018
Green - Age 19 - Value 450k - Contract till June 2019
RHM - Age 18 - Value ???? - Contract ????

LEAVING?
Bacuna - Age 25 - Value 2.7m - Contract till June 2020
Amavi - Age 23 - Value 9m - Contract till June 2020
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by deadbuzzardalive on Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:39 am

We seem to have raised quite a bit of money from sales, but Bruce keeps on talking about having none to spend, so I'm wondering if the club are holding back a bit until January, just in case there's a new manager by then.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by achilles on Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:49 am

I found those comments from Bruce saying he has no money confusing as we seem to have shifted a few players with some more still to go (i.e. Elphick, Gardner, McCormack, Richards (lol))
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by Joppe84 on Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:55 am

I really don't think we need any players. We just need our manager to get half a clue.

Hopefully McCormack can be shifted as well, all though Bacuna is up there with Lescott and Richards so I'll be happy with him gone.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by AstonThriller on Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:03 am

@Joppe84 wrote:I really don't think we need any players. We just need our manager to get half a clue.

Hopefully McCormack can be shifted as well, all though Bacuna is up there with Lescott and Richards so I'll be happy with him gone.

We've got Gabby playing left-wing right now and will only have one left-back once Amavi leaves. We most certainly do need more players imo.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by Dazzle on Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:17 am

@deadbuzzardalive wrote:We seem to have raised quite a bit of money from sales, but Bruce keeps on talking about having none to spend, so I'm wondering if the club are holding back a bit until January, just in case there's a new manager by then.

FFP. It can't be ignored. Villa have spent a heap of ££s in the last 12 months and were making losses under Lerner previous to that. I'm not aware of the exact figures but it would seem obvious we must be damn close to the limits, and I'd say if we didn't make promotion this season then things will get a whole lot worse. The whole idea of FFP is a joke, has been since the first time I heard it floated as an idea, it was always going to favour the top handful of clubs and fuck everyone else. Given the fees and salaries we now see from the likes of the Manchester clubs, Chelsea etc, how is anyone seriously expected to break the monopoly that has been created? Yes you'll get maybe the once in a generation Leicester City scenario but that aside you can, with a fair amount of certainty, name the top 5-6 prem clubs year on year. They are spending hundreds of millions of pounds year in year out and then you have the likes of a Villa and who potentially will have a transfer embargo and points deducted after having a transfer surplus for 12 months. There is nothing fair about FFP, it should be renamed CPR (no heart attack pun intended) Cartel Protection Rules.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by jimbop on Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:32 pm


good luck Jordan, very professional the way he handled things, all the best. see you in the champions league in a couple of years Dancing Banana

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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by Dazzle on Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:01 pm

Best wishes to Jordon Amavi, conducted himself very well throughout his time at Aston Villa.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kodjia was allowed to leave if a sizeable Premier League offer came in, say £20m+. I think Bruce only selected him last season as he was a crowd favourite and nobody else could score. It's my opinion that had Kodjia not broken that ankle at the end of last season he might already have been sold, I just don't think he's a Bruce type player. I think if Bruce could sell for £20m+ whilst securing Rhodes for around £8m then he'd snap your hand off. I don't think he'd be shedding any tears to see Kodjia and McCormack move on.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by jimbop on Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:02 pm

@Dazzle wrote:Best wishes to Jordon Amavi, conducted himself very well throughout his time at Aston Villa.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kodjia was allowed to leave if a sizeable Premier League offer came in, say £20m+. I think Bruce only selected him last season as he was a crowd favourite and nobody else could score. It's my opinion that had Kodjia not broken that ankle at the end of last season he might already have been sold, I just don't think he's a Bruce type player. I think if Bruce could sell for £20m+ whilst securing Rhodes for around £8m then he'd snap your hand off. I don't think he'd be shedding any tears to see Kodjia and McCormack move on.

no chance is kodja going anywhere, would be an absolute stupid decision if he does

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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by deadbuzzardalive on Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:15 pm

Have to say we seem woefully short at the back now, in central defence we're relying on Terry to stay fit, if he was to get injured, that would leave us with Samba, and not really any back-up except for playing players out of position, or Richards who is massive at the moment, and doesn't look to be in a fit state to play football, I don't think there will be any way back for Elphick either, he apparently liked a tweet the other day calling us a shambles.

If Taylor gets injured we've no one at left-back either, and seems like there's no money to spend; FFP is really doing us in, I hope Wyness's suggestion that it might be scraped/changed (can't remember his exact words) comes to fruition.


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Post by jimbop on Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:31 pm

why the fook arnt Seville being investigated or at least punished over the Amavi debacle? surely something should be done to them

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Post by FoxyAV on Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:10 pm

I liked Amavi a lot. Not the greatest LB in the world but not bad, and played well going forward. Still, if we get good money for him that's fair enough and I'm sure he'll do Marseille proud. He was always happy to play for Villa, never said a bad word, always worked his socks off. Very much like Hutton, but better.

With regard to Kodjia I don't think Xia would approve that particular sale. Bruce has proven just how incapable of scoring his team is without Kodjia and until that changes, he ain't going anywhere.

Do we really need Rhodes when we have Audrey and Davis starting to poke into the first team? Bearing in mind how long it took Hogan to get into the swing of things, wouldn't we be better off with the two players we already have, who've already spent however many years playing with the likes of Grealish, Green and O'Hare? And are we going to see the Borg assimilated onto the bench as backup LB?
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by AstonThriller on Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:11 pm

I remember when the papers suggested we only had "1m to spend this summer" because of FFP. And many scoffed at that notion. Well, right now that headline looks quite accurate, doesn't it?

This is the funds we've brought in since last summer.

Gestede= 6m
Sinclair= 3.5m
Clark= 5m
Ayew= 5m plus Taylor
Gana= 7.1m
Westwood= 6m
Sanchez= 2.5m
Veretout= 6.3m
Baker= 4m
Cissokho= 1.3m
Amavi= 2m loan fee

Total= 48.7m

And with Bacuna on the verge of leaving for 2m that means the funds are likely to go to 50.7m generated over the space of a year.


Now for the transfers in

Elphick- 3m
Gollini= 4.1m
Tshibola= 5m
MCcormack= 12m
Chester= 8m
Kodjia= 15m
Jedinak= 4m
Lansbury= 2.75m
Bree= 3m
Hourihane= 2m
Thor= 2.5m
Hogan= 9m
De laet= 2m
Elmo= 1m
Whelan= 1.5m

Total= 70m

So when you do the maths our net spend over the last year will only be around 20m. Now I know there are wages and the fact that we're no longer getting Premiership TV money. But by McGrath should we really be worrying about FFP when you consider those numbers? Wolves have spent around 49m since Fosun took over and have barely brought in 8m in funds. So if we're struggling now then they should be in big trouble themselves.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by Wookster on Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:59 pm

@deadbuzzardalive wrote:Have to say we seem woefully short at the back now, in central defence we're relying on Terry to stay fit, if he was to get injured, that would leave us with Samba, and not really any back-up except for playing players out of position, or Richards who is massive at the moment, and doesn't look to be in a fit state to play football, I don't think there will be any way back for Elphick either, he apparently liked a tweet the other day calling us a shambles.

If Taylor gets injured we've no one at left-back either, and seems like there's no money to spend; FFP is really doing us in, I hope Wyness's suggestion that it might be scraped/changed (can't remember his exact words) comes to fruition.


If players have been successful in the past taking the likes of EUEFA to court over transfer fees, Clubs have got the rulings over number of home grown players removed etc, why can they not get FFP thrown out as as it prevents a club from running. Isnt it a ban on its fair trading?
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by VillaBill on Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:37 pm

Good luck to Amavi, I hope he finds his pre injury form, he has pretty much dogshit since, the game against Reading last year I think was probably the worst performance I have ever seen by a Villa player.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by deadbuzzardalive on Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:17 pm

@Wookster wrote:
@deadbuzzardalive wrote:Have to say we seem woefully short at the back now, in central defence we're relying on Terry to stay fit, if he was to get injured, that would leave us with Samba, and not really any back-up except for playing players out of position, or Richards who is massive at the moment, and doesn't look to be in a fit state to play football, I don't think there will be any way back for Elphick either, he apparently liked a tweet the other day calling us a shambles.

If Taylor gets injured we've no one at left-back either, and seems like there's no money to spend; FFP is really doing us in, I hope Wyness's suggestion that it might be scraped/changed (can't remember his exact words) comes to fruition.


If players have been successful in the past taking the likes of EUEFA to court over transfer fees, Clubs have got the rulings over number of home grown players removed etc, why can they not get FFP thrown out as as it prevents a club from running. Isnt it a ban on its fair trading?

Bruce did an interview last week and when talking about it, he said that he's heard they're trying to get it scrapped, or words to that affect, I wasn't sure what he was referring to, as I've seen no mention of it anywhere else. Then Wyness did his interview with 'The Villa View' and said that there are a lot of clubs particularly in the Championship trying to get the rules changed, so watch this space; so it seems something is going on in the background, and Wyness himself as been critical of FFP in the past so presumably we're one of those clubs.




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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by gaffer85 on Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:20 pm

@deadbuzzardalive wrote:Have to say we seem woefully short at the back now, in central defence we're relying on Terry to stay fit, if he was to get injured, that would leave us with Samba, and not really any back-up except for playing players out of position, or Richards who is massive at the moment, and doesn't look to be in a fit state to play football, I don't think there will be any way back for Elphick either, he apparently liked a tweet the other day calling us a shambles.

If Taylor gets injured we've no one at left-back either, and seems like there's no money to spend; FFP is really doing us in, I hope Wyness's suggestion that it might be scraped/changed (can't remember his exact words) comes to fruition.


Honestly is this not what the academy is for
For example can you name Southampton reserve left back
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Post by deadbuzzardalive on Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:39 pm

I don't know who the Southampton reserve left-back is, if they're lucky enough to have produced one from their academy good for them. But most teams will have a couple of senior players who can play that position, same with any other position on the pitch.

Just because O'Hare is doing well at the moment doesn't mean to say that we've got a conveyor belt of talented youngsters coming through, meaning we don't need to sign squad players anymore; whilst we've got some talented individuals, our u23 side isn't actually all that great at the moment, hence the club trying to restructure it.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by deadbuzzardalive on Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:55 pm

When talking about 'The Villa Way' Wyness said the aim is to get all the Villa sides from the u12s to the senior sides playing the same type of football, but that could take years to implement, as you teach it to the youngsters at a young age, and the wait for them to rise through the ranks playing that brand of football until they reach the first team.


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Re: Summer transfer window 2017/18

Post by Saunders82 on Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:35 pm

I think Villa are using the FFP rules as a smokescreen to A, keep the price down on players, B, give us an excuse to ship out players. I have always understood that when a club has just been bought you have a grace period & FFP doesn't apply anyway, time will tell.
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