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Post by BillytheKid on Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:44 pm

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@BillytheKid wrote:Even the Mail saying its all done aswell as Xia by the 15th to be announced now until i see our club run poorly as it was under Lerner and heading for the abyss fast then i will be looking forward to a real bright future instead of the false pretence one Lerner offered us,

One thing is for sure no way would we be even hopeful of us bidding £10million for players with a real solid management team in place for once on top if Lerner was still here so already even before Xia is officially unveiled as owner he has got a major decision right already!


Jim mate i honestly think all the depression from Lerner grinding the club to a halt for years and years is hard to snap out of for some even though some remain sceptical they should at least be happy we now have someone about to buy the club who knows what he is doing looking at his managerial appointments something Lerner was an idiot at, looking around its a sign of the times all this worry about who is involved buying us, as long as we compete for promotion and add some quality giving it a right good go to win games that'll do for me seeing some intent and effort is all i demand!
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Post by 4BetLite on Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:55 pm

Most of the posters that have an alternative, cautious view point, simply offer a different view to us positive types but all love this club and want nothing but the best.

However, we do have a few that are just miserable and even probably just love to wind people up.............. I have a mental image of these types in mind when I'm reading their posts.......................

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Re: AVFC Takeover Thread, Rumours, Gossip and Hearsay...all goes here

Post by Synopsis on Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:59 pm

ThePurist wrote:I had a little play on Companies House page earlier, wondering if looking at past roles of various people may throw some light on this elusive 'Hook' character.
What I did find was that the address associated with Recon Sports (Hand Court, Holborn WC1V 6JF) is/has been used by quite a few other companies. Is this usual practice?

Anyway, when I put the address in, the website threw out a list of companies using it.
There's a company called Vaxeal Ltd recently set up, by the very same Alan John Frank Hitchins that set up Recon Sports. Interestingly, one of the officers listed is Gorrie Whitsun Secretarial Services, who are also involved with Recon Sports.

Can anyone with an understanding of these things explain to a numpty like me what it means? Does it mean anything? Is it shady or completely normal practice? Mr Hitchins is a Vet by all accounts. His other business interests are connected to a Vet's practice in Chislehurst, Kent.

I have no idea what Vaxeal Ltd do, not much in the way of info out there for them.

It's things like this that fuel the negativity I have.

Apologies in advance if anyone happens to read this as ultra negative, it really isn't meant to be. I have an inquisitive mind and I would love to know why things are done this way.

Hitchens has a habit of using the address of his accountant when setting up his multitudes of companies, which is kinda ironic considering how many of those companies have been struck off companies house for not filing their accounts
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Post by jimbop on Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:00 pm

@BillytheKid wrote:
@jimbop wrote:
@BillytheKid wrote:Even the Mail saying its all done aswell as Xia by the 15th to be announced now until i see our club run poorly as it was under Lerner and heading for the abyss fast then i will be looking forward to a real bright future instead of the false pretence one Lerner offered us,

One thing is for sure no way would we be even hopeful of us bidding £10million for players with a real solid management team in place for once on top if Lerner was still here so already even before Xia is officially unveiled as owner he has got a major decision right already!


Jim mate i honestly think all the depression from Lerner grinding the club to a halt for years and years is hard to snap out of for some even though some remain sceptical they should at least be happy we now have someone about to buy the club who knows what he is doing looking at his managerial appointments something Lerner was an idiot at, looking around its a sign of the times all this worry about who is involved buying us, as long as we compete for promotion and add some quality giving it a right good go to win games that'll do for me seeing some intent and effort is all i demand!

very true matey, all I ask for is we give it everything, whatever follows I will accept. Dr T's claret blue army

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Post by BillytheKid on Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:16 pm

@jimbop wrote:
@BillytheKid wrote:
@jimbop wrote:
@BillytheKid wrote:Even the Mail saying its all done aswell as Xia by the 15th to be announced now until i see our club run poorly as it was under Lerner and heading for the abyss fast then i will be looking forward to a real bright future instead of the false pretence one Lerner offered us,

One thing is for sure no way would we be even hopeful of us bidding £10million for players with a real solid management team in place for once on top if Lerner was still here so already even before Xia is officially unveiled as owner he has got a major decision right already!


Jim mate i honestly think all the depression from Lerner grinding the club to a halt for years and years is hard to snap out of for some even though some remain sceptical they should at least be happy we now have someone about to buy the club who knows what he is doing looking at his managerial appointments something Lerner was an idiot at, looking around its a sign of the times all this worry about who is involved buying us, as long as we compete for promotion and add some quality giving it a right good go to win games that'll do for me seeing some intent and effort is all i demand!

very true matey, all I ask for is we give it everything, whatever follows I will accept.  Dr T's claret blue army

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Post by deadbuzzardalive on Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:04 pm

It doesn't matter when Samuelson and Wyness join the board (if they are joining) they'd still have to undergo the 'fit and proper' person's test.

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Re: AVFC Takeover Thread, Rumours, Gossip and Hearsay...all goes here

Post by Wriggle on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:02 am

@Trotters wrote:Oh, and not one of you miserable bastards had an opinion on the banner question!

What banner question?
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Post by Wriggle on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:26 am

ThePurist wrote:
Well, I 'think' they are only officially on the board of Recon Sports at the moment. I assume the avfc board cannot be named until the takeover is ratified and completed.
My question is whether board members of Recon Sports are essentially board members of avfc by default, as Recon will own avfc?
If Samuelson for instance is a director of Recon, it's hard to see how he won't have any part of avfc?

Although I have absolutely no idea in truth. I don't do business.

Technically no they are not directors of Villa if they are directors of Recon.

Board members get elected to run the company in the best interest of the shareholders. Obviously with Xia owning 100% of the shares he gets to appoint the board in our case. The board make all of the decision on the company and technically a shareholder doesn't have to have any say whatsoever. Having said that though, with the shareholders appointing the board and the one that can also fire the board, you'll usually find that the board will listen to the shareholders when they speak and a lot of the time they will appoint board members that they know will toe the line.

So whilst technically Samuelson and Wyness are on the board of the company that owns Villa, if they are not on the Villa board of Villa then they don't control the direction and day to day decisions made by the Villa board, but obviously they can have a huge influence on that board by being on the board of the shareholding company.

In my opinion it all comes back to the shareholding of Recon, which I think is 100% Xia (?), if he owns 100% then he is the overall decision maker, he has the recon board that offers him advice,but as the only shareholder he will most likely be able to either take that advice or do his own thing. Whatever decision he makes in recon then passes down into Villa,where I would imagine he will also be on the board and follow the same principles as in Recon.

I guess in summary to your question, no they aren't on the Villa board by default, but yes they will still have an influence.

Hope that makes sense...
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Post by Mr_Spadge on Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:43 am

ThePurist wrote:I had a little play on Companies House page earlier, wondering if looking at past roles of various people may throw some light on this elusive 'Hook' character.
What I did find was that the address associated with Recon Sports (Hand Court, Holborn WC1V 6JF) is/has been used by quite a few other companies. Is this usual practice?

Anyway, when I put the address in, the website threw out a list of companies using it.
There's a company called Vaxeal Ltd recently set up, by the very same Alan John Frank Hitchins that set up Recon Sports. Interestingly, one of the officers listed is Gorrie Whitsun Secretarial Services, who are also involved with Recon Sports.

Can anyone with an understanding of these things explain to a numpty like me what it means? Does it mean anything? Is it shady or completely normal practice? Mr Hitchins is a Vet by all accounts. His other business interests are connected to a Vet's practice in Chislehurst, Kent.

This is pretty much normal. It's super easy to set up a "company", you just need to register, and have £1 in share capital. (It used to cost about £20 to register, but that was 10 years ago or more...)

Anyway, I expect that the bloke who resigned, Hitchins, is an accountant who sets up companies for other people, so they don't have to bother with the paperwork etc. He sets them up, adds the new board and then resigns. Since the new board haven't done anything at all, the company "Recon Ltd" is worth £1, and doesn't have any assets / liabilities.

If the takeover is approved, I expect it gets pumped with money and then buys Aston Villa, or something like that.

It seems fairly normal

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Post by jimbop on Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:47 am

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Post by jimbop on Fri Jun 10, 2016 9:51 am

one of the highest paid people!! what the fock did this bloke ever do???? nice one foxy http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-latest-name-leave-aston-11452633

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Post by The Utterer on Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:02 am

Makes you wonder doesn't it Jimbop! Under the previous regime It all had a bit of a feel of ""lets all fill our boots as this Yank ain't got a clue mate lol!"" to it didn't it. There were basically a bunch of blokes lining their pockets and not giving two s***s about AVFC nor the fans, most of the players i include in that too!....Nzogbia anyone
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Post by DaveAV1 on Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:13 am

That's the whole problem summed up. If the bloke st the top of any organisation isn't on top of the job, that filters down. We do work for lots of different companies and they all tend to reflect the main man regardless of size. A happy owner generally has happy workers, organised people have organised companies. It's just the way it is. Randy was clueless and inevitably this was eventually reflected throughout the club, most painfully on the pitch.

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Post by jimbop on Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:19 am

@The Utterer wrote:Makes you wonder doesn't it Jimbop! Under the previous regime It all had a bit of a feel of ""lets all fill our boots as this Yank ain't got a clue mate lol!"" to it didn't it. There were basically a bunch of blokes lining their pockets and not giving two s***s about AVFC nor the fans, most of the players i include in that too!....Nzogbia anyone

fully agree

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Post by jimbop on Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:04 am

what the hell happened!! http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/14/16/0F43D61600000578-3540038-image-m-23_1460647006476.jpg

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Post by The Utterer on Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:20 am

@jimbop wrote:what the hell happened!! http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/14/16/0F43D61600000578-3540038-image-m-23_1460647006476.jpg

Lol! the accumulative effect of too much partying, shisha piping, and trying to impress the ladies Laughing

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Post by jimbop on Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:21 am

@The Utterer wrote:
@jimbop wrote:what the hell happened!! http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/14/16/0F43D61600000578-3540038-image-m-23_1460647006476.jpg

Lol! the accumulative effect of too much partying, shisha piping, and trying to impress the ladies Laughing



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Post by jimbop on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:04 pm

would be good news if he stays - http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-midfielder-wants-showdown-11453219

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Post by deadbuzzardalive on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:17 pm

Looks like Charlie Wijeratna has now left the club. One of the highest paid members of the support staff.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-latest-name-leave-aston-11452633

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Post by jimbop on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:43 pm

sorry slightly off topic but how wicked is this - http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2016/6/10/269014e7-3f01-4fee-9c22-29b36e34896d.jpg

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Post by deadbuzzardalive on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:50 pm

Deal next week

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/10/aston-villa-takeover-by-dr-tony-xia-to-go-through-next-week/?

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Post by BillytheKid on Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:08 pm

@deadbuzzardalive wrote:Deal next week

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/10/aston-villa-takeover-by-dr-tony-xia-to-go-through-next-week/?

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Post by Trotters on Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:11 pm

Re: Charlie Wijerwhatshisname...you can only conclude he failed miserably in his job. OK, it mit be hard to find sponsors for a sinking laughing stock but if he had anything to do with the new kit deal at apparently involves harsh financial penalties of we get relegated - something just about everyone knew was inevitable - then he failed us.

The new badge is a joke. A really expensive one.

And marketing? If any of that involves social media marketing then he's a massive cock because the official Facebook page was all happy clappy whilst getting hammered with abuse. It was stunning. He should have left it as an information page about ticketing etc and nothing more.

Typical Lerner era failure.

But when the big boss isn't around....
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Post by tonyp on Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:13 pm

@deadbuzzardalive wrote:Deal next week

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/10/aston-villa-takeover-by-dr-tony-xia-to-go-through-next-week/?


Really hope they have done detailed background checks and we can finally move on and start getting our club back to where it should be. It's killed us to wait but often good things come to those that wait. Fuck me it's been a long wait

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Post by smetro on Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:19 pm

@Mr_Spadge wrote:
ThePurist wrote:I had a little play on Companies House page earlier, wondering if looking at past roles of various people may throw some light on this elusive 'Hook' character.
What I did find was that the address associated with Recon Sports (Hand Court, Holborn WC1V 6JF) is/has been used by quite a few other companies. Is this usual practice?

Anyway, when I put the address in, the website threw out a list of companies using it.
There's a company called Vaxeal Ltd recently set up, by the very same Alan John Frank Hitchins that set up Recon Sports. Interestingly, one of the officers listed is Gorrie Whitsun Secretarial Services, who are also involved with Recon Sports.

Can anyone with an understanding of these things explain to a numpty like me what it means? Does it mean anything? Is it shady or completely normal practice? Mr Hitchins is a Vet by all accounts. His other business interests are connected to a Vet's practice in Chislehurst, Kent.

This is pretty much normal.  It's super easy to set up a "company", you just need to register, and have £1 in share capital.  (It used to cost about £20 to register, but that was 10 years ago or more...)

Anyway, I expect that the bloke who resigned, Hitchins, is an accountant who sets up companies for other people, so they don't have to bother with the paperwork etc.  He sets them up, adds the new board and then resigns.  Since the new board haven't done anything at all, the company "Recon Ltd" is worth £1, and doesn't have any assets / liabilities.  

If the takeover is approved, I expect it gets pumped with money and then buys Aston Villa, or something like that.

It seems fairly normal


They could be 'off the shelf 'companies - you buy the company, then change the name, appoint directors, tweak the memorandum of association, it works out cheaper than registering it all yourself....
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