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Post by Mazrim Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:36 pm

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HarryAVFC wrote:: ''I have a great deal of confidence in Tim's ability to get performances out of players we have."
The words of Tom Fox.

Not sure what to make of that. Not sure why he'd even say it unless we weren't going to make many changes

I really wouldn't worry about it:-

He said he wasn't going to sack lambert - Then Did
He told us 'Randy was minded to sell' - Randy announces 'plan a is still to sell the club'
He Told us he was going grow commercial revenue - then announces a shirt deal wish at best looks comparable to what we already have.

so his recent conflicting statement about being able to business in 'this dynamic' - but TS can get the best out of what we have - shouldn't come as a surprise.

Hes a top, top CEO - and I am sure our new owners will be desperate to keep him on...........(we might loose the shirt sponsor without him after all)

He was wrong to back Lambert at that point, but he did the right thing eventually for the right reasons. Good.
He said Randy was minded to sell, then Randy said the same thing? ... So?
He said he was going to grow revenue... then announces a shirt deal to reflect that just for starters. What are you basing the commercial figures on, The Birmingham Mails plucked out of thin air figure?

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Post by Wookster Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:45 pm

If it is still TS in charge next season with backing, he needs to do a similar job that Hughes did at Citeh and steady the ship with a sprinkling of better talent
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Post by Keyser Soze Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:49 pm

South London Villan wrote:I think Fox is very shrewd and is probably safer than most executives when the deal happens.

Keyser Soze, do you still think it will be Paul Smith?
In my mind Paul Smith is already the CEO and Tony Adams the new DOF. But my mind I'd a very dark place so you don't have to worry yet. Mark Draper has been quite precise about the takeover and I believe him, he mentioned a former player and connections with members on this forum helping out with the sale and I reckon we all have figured out who that is. The thing is he's told there Chinese and the others are saying U.S based. I hope it soon becomes clearer, maybe fifty shades clearer???
I don't gamble but if I did then perhaps a quid on the Azerbaijanis.
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Post by ViewFromT2 Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:59 pm

Keyser Soze wrote:
South London Villan wrote:I think Fox is very shrewd and is probably safer than most executives when the deal happens.

Keyser Soze, do you still think it will be Paul Smith?
In my mind Paul Smith is already the CEO and Tony Adams the new DOF. But my mind I'd a very dark place so you don't have to worry yet. Mark Draper has been quite precise about the takeover and I believe him, he mentioned a former player and connections with members on this forum helping out with the sale and I reckon we all have figured out who that is. The thing is he's told there Chinese and the others are saying U.S based. I hope it soon becomes clearer, maybe fifty shades clearer???
I don't gamble but if I did then perhaps a quid on the Azerbaijanis.

I haven't figured it out

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Post by South London Villan Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:03 pm

HarryAVFC wrote:Sounds like transfer activity will be hold then. That's a worrying as we have about 15 players who need to go

Why would transfer activity be on hold. How do you get to that conclusion?

If you buy a house you would always spend something on improvements.
We don't know who the buyer is so we don't know what they have to spend or how much they are paying to acquire, we only have guess work and speculation
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Post by GadgetMan Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:06 pm

ViewFromT2 wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
South London Villan wrote:I think Fox is very shrewd and is probably safer than most executives when the deal happens.

Keyser Soze, do you still think it will be Paul Smith?
In my mind Paul Smith is already the CEO and Tony Adams the new DOF. But my mind I'd a very dark place so you don't have to worry yet. Mark Draper has been quite precise about the takeover and I believe him, he mentioned a former player and connections with members on this forum helping out with the sale and I reckon we all have figured out who that is. The thing is he's told there Chinese and the others are saying U.S based. I hope it soon becomes clearer, maybe fifty shades clearer???
I don't gamble but if I did then perhaps a quid on the Azerbaijanis.

I haven't figured it out

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Post by TheTechniqueSMC Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:08 pm

Any potential buyer has to spend a minimum £50m on players that's not an opinion that is a stone cold fact, That would add atleast 4-5 quality players to a quality starved squad which is so desperately needed. That would be for the owner who is wealthy but not willing to outlay £50m plus a season.

For the owner who is about making serious waves demonstrating serious strength in the market by attempting to bully the likes of the Top 4 & Liverpool + Spurs we would need to spend upwards of £150m in this summer's transfer window.

If I was in scenario one! I would look to buy players of the same ilk as Wijnaldum & Clasie absolute class but not yet reached that level of world class.

If I was in scenario two! I would look to buy a Sterling & Reus players who aren't the finished article but are still world class.

There is no in between with the takeovers if Its American and I doubt it is then I would imagine they would go with scenario one, If its Chinese and that's who I firmly believe it is then I reckon they will do what the Chinese do best spend on lavish purchases and demonstrate they earn and have more than you.
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Post by Dions_Bald_Head Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:10 pm

Phew - just trying to catch up.

IMO Fox is hardly going to come out & say we need to buy lots of players because it would take the pressure off the manager. It also manages fan expectations & stops other club from going on red alert to up their prices.
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Post by Fpuppys Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:16 pm

South London Villan wrote:
HarryAVFC wrote:Sounds like transfer activity will be hold then. That's a worrying as we have about 15 players who need to go

Why would transfer activity be on hold. How do you get to that conclusion?

If you buy a house you would always spend something on improvements.
We don't know who the buyer is so we don't know what they have to spend or how much they are paying to acquire, we only have guess work and speculation

There again you would not make improvements until the key was in your hand. Many a sure deal falls flat on it's face (Not trying to jinks this one) you have to look at the bigger picture, yes the house looks fine to me and i could get away with just a few minor repairs, a new door, paint job here and there but until you get the surveyors report you could end up with just a pile of bricks and a roof.
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Post by South London Villan Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:18 pm

South London Villan wrote:
HarryAVFC wrote:Sounds like transfer activity will be hold then. That's a worrying as we have about 15 players who need to go

Why would transfer activity be on hold. How do you get to that conclusion?

If you buy a house you would always spend something on improvements.
We don't know who the buyer is so we don't know what they have to spend or how much they are paying to acquire, we only have guess work and speculation

Apologies, I misinterpreted your comment as post sale, you are referring to Vimbo.
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Post by Suits Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:29 pm

Fpuppys wrote:
South London Villan wrote:
HarryAVFC wrote:Sounds like transfer activity will be hold then. That's a worrying as we have about 15 players who need to go

Why would transfer activity be on hold. How do you get to that conclusion?

If you buy a house you would always spend something on improvements.
We don't know who the buyer is so we don't know what they have to spend or how much they are paying to acquire, we only have guess work and speculation

There again you would not make improvements until the key was in your hand. Many a sure deal falls flat on it's face (Not trying to jinks this one) you have to look at the bigger picture, yes the house looks fine to me and i could get away with just a few minor repairs, a new door, paint job here and there but until you get the surveyors report you could end up with just a pile of bricks and a roof.

I think it's already been mentioned by a few people that they'll be no transfers incoming before the takeover unless it's on a free.
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Post by smetro Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:30 pm

Mazrim wrote:
smetro wrote:
HarryAVFC wrote:: ''I have a great deal of confidence in Tim's ability to get performances out of players we have."
The words of Tom Fox.

Not sure what to make of that. Not sure why he'd even say it unless we weren't going to make many changes

I really wouldn't worry about it:-

He said he wasn't going to sack lambert - Then Did
He told us 'Randy was minded to sell' - Randy announces 'plan a is still to sell the club'
He Told us he was going grow commercial revenue - then announces a shirt deal wish at best looks comparable to what we already have.

so his recent conflicting statement about being able to business in 'this dynamic' - but TS can get the best out of what we have - shouldn't come as a surprise.

Hes a top, top CEO - and I am sure our new owners will be desperate to keep him on...........(we might loose the shirt sponsor without him after all)

He was wrong to back Lambert at that point, but he did the right thing eventually for the right reasons. Good.
He said Randy was minded to sell, then Randy said the same thing? ... So?
He said he was going to grow revenue... then announces a shirt deal to reflect that just for starters. What are you basing the commercial figures on, The Birmingham Mails plucked out of thin air figure?


Sorry a typo on my part, Fox said 'Randy was not minded to sell' - then Randy said 'Plan a is still to sell the club'
I don't believe I gave a figure for commercial revenue - I just said the new shirt sponsor deal was only comparable to the existing one.
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Post by Mazrim Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:39 pm

So you must have a figure, otherwise how can you know it's comparable? We know it's more than the previous deal, so why quibble?
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Post by villabromsgrove Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:41 pm

I got a sense from Tom Fox's carefully chosen words that although things are happening behind the scenes it will take another few weeks before there is a definitive announcement of sale.

His comments about Benteke and other transfers indicate a quiet period in the lead up to the club changing hands. I think we just need to be patient until the day dawns when our dreams are either realised or shattered, or maybe that day will leave us feeling 'meh'.
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Post by smetro Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:50 pm

Mazrim wrote:So you must have a figure, otherwise how can you know it's comparable? We know it's more than the previous deal, so why quibble?

So if you 'know' its more - you must have a figure ?

The range of figures I've seen quoted - are from £3-£5m. (ergo comparable)
If it was a record breaking deal - i feel the club would have told us
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Post by bazzah Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:56 pm

viva_la_amo wrote:FFP IS BEING RELAXED!!

Exactly. If Billy Big Bollocks became our new owner he'd pay his way to the top table and the likes of uefa/premier league would welcome that - that's how corrupt these feckers are!...

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